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Old August 4th, 2011, 10:56 PM   #1
 
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Blackhawk flattop 45LC & 45ACP

I have a question about the new blackhawk flattop in 45LC and 45 ACP. Is this model built on a frame size that will allow "Ruger Loads Only" in the 45 LC or do you have to keep the loads down to a level as in the Colt single action pistol in 45LC.



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Built on the medium frame. No, notta, no Ruger Only Loads. That said, you can load up to 20,000psi which is 'hot' enough for me. Note 14,000 is SAMMI pressures.

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That's a good question. Does anyone know when the Blackhawk down-sized it's frame? Mine was made in 1991 and wonder if it's still the old, heavier frame.

Why would Ruger weaken it's guns this way? The company always had the reputation for building virtually indestructable guns, hence "Ruger only" loads. Don't understand why they'd want to change this.

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Only the New Model Flattop Blackhawks and New Vaqueros are on the smaller frames.

If you New Model Blackhawk is not a Flattop -and it's not because yours is a '91 model- Ruger only loads are fine.
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Ruger is producing "new model flattops"? When did this start happening?
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I think it started with the 50th anniversary guns. Then Lipsey's did a run of .44 SPCL Flattops and they were so popular that they became a catalogued item for Ruger. And now we have a .45 convertible flattop available.

Many people like the smaller frame, myself included. It makes a lot of since in the .44 SPCL because the larger frame is unnecessary for this caliber. The flattops also have additional features not standard on other New Models. Steel grip-frames, and ejector rod housings. And the reverse indexing pawl.
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"New Model flattops"?
The first flattop on the medium frame came out in 2005. This was the .357 50th Anniversary model. Then came the .44Mag 50th anniversary flattop on the Large frame in 2006. Since then, Lipseys came out with the .44Spec flattop BH on the medium frame in 2009, and then Ruger made it a 'standard' catalog item also called the .44Spec BH. Recently, Lipseys introduced the .45Colt/.45 ACP flattop on the medium frame . There you have it in a nutshell. Note that all New Model BH Flattops (exception being the .44Mag flattop) are on the medium frame. Same frame as the fixed sight New Vaqueros.

Also note:
'Small' Frame refers to the Single Six size frame (.22 and .17HMR).
Medium Frame the flattops and New Vaqueros.
Large Frame is the normal BHs, SBHs and BH convertibles .357/9mm and .45Colt/.45ACP.

Hope that helps clear it up....

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I have the new Ruger blackhawk .45/.45 ACP ,and in my opinion it is a
heavy frame.Maybe not.It is much heavier than my uberti .45.Much thicker
top and back frame.
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bayhawk2;

If it is a Flattop, it is NOT a "Ruger Only" frame. The cylinder size is the criteria but the identifier is the Flattop frame. New Model Flattops (except the .44 Magnum) are medium size frames.

The New Ruger Flattop .45 Colts are limited to 20,000 psi max. However, to me, that is not a necessarily a "bad thing". The medium frames handle better, in my view, and if you'll check out Brian Pearce's article on the RCBS 270 SSA bullet, you'll see that there is a LOT of performance available SAFELY at that level:

http://www.riflemagazine.com/magazin...246partial.pdf

Scroll down to page 12. I have copied that article and have it in my "Reloading Folder) on my hard drive. When you can drive a 280 gr bullet at 1100 fps, that is not "small change". The original black powder .45 Colt would drive through a horse at 100 yards (original U.S. Army acceptance tests) and this data gives you considerably more velocity with a heavier and MUCH BETTER shaped bullet for greater killing power. I would hunt anything suitable for an iron sighted six gun with this load.

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Gentlemen;

Thank you for taking the time to reply to my question about the NM Blackhawk in 45LC & 45ACP that is available though Lipsey's firearms.
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If you go to the Ruger web site and look up the Blackhawk, dealer specials, then look at the .45 Colt. It weighs 65 ounces.

Now go back to the standard Blackhawk .45 Colt and you see that it weights 40 ounces.

So it would appear to me that the heavy frame model is still available but only through ---Williams..

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I am totally confused. I recently bought a new New Model Blackhawk in 45 colt/45 acp. I also bought the new Lipsey Blackhawk Flattop in 45 colt/45 acp. Do they have the same frames or different frames? (I don't have the Lipsey yet so I can't compare them.) Thanks.
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I am totally confused. I recently bought a new New Model Blackhawk in 45 colt/45 acp. I also bought the new Lipsey Blackhawk Flattop in 45 colt/45 acp. Do they have the same frames or different frames? (I don't have the Lipsey yet so I can't compare them.) Thanks.
If you go to Ruger® New Model Blackhawk® Distributor Exclusives Single-Action Revolver Models

And click on the Williams specifications, you will see 65 oz.

Click on the Lipsey's and you see 40 oz.

I have to assume that since this is a Ruger factory site that it is correct.

I plan to order the 65 oz Blackhawk tomorrow, so maybe I will find out then.

One thing I have learned from this thread is to tell them that if it is not the heavy frame they can stick it where it fits.
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If you go to Ruger® New Model Blackhawk® Distributor Exclusives Single-Action Revolver Models

And click on the Williams specifications, you will see 65 oz.

Click on the Lipsey's and you see 40 oz.

I have to assume that since this is a Ruger factory site that it is correct.

I plan to order the 65 oz Blackhawk tomorrow, so maybe I will find out then.

One thing I have learned from this thread is to tell them that if it is not the heavy frame they can stick it where it fits.
Curmudgeon, I don't have the Williams version but your post gave me the idea of comparing the weight of the NM Blackhawk 45colt/45acp convertible (Model 10463) that I bought from Ruger with the Blackhawk Flattop 45 45colt/45acp convertible (Model 5241) that I bought from Lipseys. They are both 5.5 inch barrels and they both weigh 40oz.

Based on this, I'm thinking that both guns are built on the smaller-sized frame and not safe for Ruger only loads. (I'm not going to shoot anything but normal loads anyway but just wanted to know what I have.) Of course, I could be wrong about my analysis and I'd appreciate hearing from anyone who knows more than I do about frames.
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Curmudgeon, I don't have the Williams version but your post gave me the idea of comparing the weight of the NM Blackhawk 45colt/45acp convertible (Model 10463) that I bought from Ruger with the Blackhawk Flattop 45 45colt/45acp convertible (Model 5241) that I bought from Lipseys. They are both 5.5 inch barrels and they both weigh 40oz.

Based on this, I'm thinking that both guns are built on the smaller-sized frame and not safe for Ruger only loads. (I'm not going to shoot anything but normal loads anyway but just wanted to know what I have.) Of course, I could be wrong about my analysis and I'd appreciate hearing from anyone who knows more than I do about frames.

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