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Old July 21st, 2011, 08:01 AM   #1
 
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Dumb Recoil Question

Just got back rom range with my 44 mag. Guy at gun store told me that 180 jsp had a lot less recoil than 240 jsp magnum rounds. I found just the opposite. The 240 was a piece of cake compared to the 180 grain. Just wondering what the 300 + grain ammo would be like for recoil. Have a Ruger nm super blackhawk with 5 1/2 inch. Any input would be appreciated.



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Old July 21st, 2011, 09:04 AM   #2
 
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In my experience the 180/185's are much like 125's in .357 magnum for being brutal recoil. But then the heavy for caliber bullets are about as bad. The 240 grain bullet is what the .44 Magnum was made around. I try to stick with it.
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Old July 21st, 2011, 09:12 AM   #3
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As a rule, all other things being equal a heavier bullet will result in less percieved recoil, and more significantly less muzzle flip that a lighter bullet.

More energy is being put into moving that heavier mass, than dispersed across the frame.

Least that's how I understand it. I'm not a physicist, but I did stay in a Holiday Inn once.
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There is a difference between recoil and muzzle blast. In the 90s I owned a SW model 629 mountain magnum. This was about 11-12 ounces lighter than a regular 4 inch 629. The 240 grain loads tired me after 120 rounds. If I used the 200 grainers recoil was lighter but the round was louder and had more unburnt powder. I could shoot 180 rounds of the 200grain round. The muzzle rose less though with 200 grainers rather than 240. The 180 grains were innaccurate in the 629 so i seldom shot them. I have not shor the 329 44 mag. This is 8 or so ounces less than the mountain magnum. No thank you
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If speed is the same the bigger bullet will give more recoil.Its a energy thing and the faster fps of the light load helps it deliver more fpe than the slower heavy load. If you were to fire a 180gr. and a 300gr at the same fps you would fire many more 180's than 300's
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Its all about the energy... if two different rounds are loaded exactly the same, the heavier one will move slower and thus have less energy, as it takes more of the energy to move the heavier one than the light one.

If the two different rounds are loaded to be the same velocity (meaning they dont have the same load) then the heavier round will have more energy, as it requires more energy to move it at the same velocity as the lighter round.
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In my experience the 180/185's are much like 125's in .357 magnum for being brutal recoil. But then the heavy for caliber bullets are about as bad. The 240 grain bullet is what the .44 Magnum was made around. I try to stick with it.
You state that the 240 gr bullet is the round the .44 mag. was made for---- I am not disputing that. I made a similar statement stating that the 158gr. round is the round that the .357 mag was made for and got questioned about that. I still hold to that statement.
Why? Because I have personally shot 130gr rounds out of my GP100 and compaired to the 158 gr rounds they shoot not poorly, but are not nearly as accurate
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Personal experience with tens of thousands of .44 Magnum loads in a variety of handguns tell me, without dispute, that the heavier bullets loaded to maximum velocity will recoil noticeably more than lighter bullets.

The 310 gr cast bullets recoil considerably more than 250 gr bullets at maximum safe velocity. Momentum is the measurement you are looking for.

Use an S&W Model 29 with 4" barrel and you will instantly see (and feel) what I am talking about, BELIEVE IT!

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Recoil is based on muzzle energy and the weight of the gun. It's the old physics law ... for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. So, bullet weight is not really the issue ... it's strictly how much energy the cartridge develops.

Here's an old post that covers some of the recoil issues: Revolver Recoil Physics
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As a rule, all other things being equal a heavier bullet will result in less percieved recoil, and more significantly less muzzle flip that a lighter bullet.

More energy is being put into moving that heavier mass, than dispersed across the frame.

Least that's how I understand it. I'm not a physicist, but I did stay in a Holiday Inn once.
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