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Old April 2nd, 2011, 02:05 PM   #1
 
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44 special vs the 45 colt

Why do alot of people think the 44 special is so much better than the 45 colt



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Old April 2nd, 2011, 03:49 PM   #2
 
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It's simply a case of personal preference & prejudice.
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Maybe I really need a 44 special,I have a 44 mag sounds like I need the special also.
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You can shoot the .44 special from your .44 mag. I have read/heard everything said above, but I cannot seem to get much accuracy when shooting .44 special using either high quality factory or the most OCD loads I can make. When I shoot mag, it drives tacks. I've been thinking about picking up something made in .44 special so I can enjoy that kind of accuracy also.
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I like large slow bullets in the 4 5/8". I think the 45 will do anything that the 44 will do with less pressure.
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44 vs 45

What ever you shoot will never know the differance. It's a cult thing.
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On a full size Ruger platform, the handloader can easily make the 45 Colt outrun the .44 spcl. You can run heavier.45 bullets at higher velocities. not really a fair comparison. and depending on who you're talking to, you can open a whole can of worms about which is "better" the 45 Colt or the 44 mag.

I have no idea where folks get the idea that modern 45 Colt brass is weak or cannot handle certain pressure. Modern 45 Colt brass is no weaker or stronger than .44 mag brass............ If you disagree, take a look at what brass folks are using in their custom 5-shot 45 Colts. 50,000 psi loads are not out of reach in a custom 5-shot or FA. That is done with modern 45 Colt brass.

Where the .44 spcl can outshine the .45 is on the medium sized platforms. IMO, the 44spcl is a better suited cartridge for the medium frame guns. The shorter length of the cylinders on the medium sized platforms can prevent the use of certain bullets for a 45 Colt. You no longer can shoot "ruger only" loads on a medium sized 6-shot cylinder gun.

and yes,,,,,,, the .44 spcl is a cult thing.








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All you need to know about the .45 Colt.

Linebaugh's Custom Sixguns - The .45 Colt - Dissolving the Myth, Discovering the Legend

Then there is :

http://www.sixguns.com/tests/tt44spec.htm

Point is both cartridges are wonderful in there own way. I like them both. Use them both.
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All you need to know about the .45 Colt.

Linebaugh's Custom Sixguns - The .45 Colt - Dissolving the Myth, Discovering the Legend

Then there is :

http://www.sixguns.com/tests/tt44spec.htm

Point is both cartridges are wonderful in there own way. I like them both. Use them both.
The article on the 45 colt was great. I never load mine no where near what he says but great to know. I do favor the 45 colt have a few. Thanks rclark for the info.
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The Special may be a hair more accurate and is very much able to equal the power in a SAA sized frame. It's only big advantage is in DA revolvers as it's larger rim is less likely to slip past ejector star. IMHO I love both. My SAAs are 45 colt but my Smith 696 is most definitely special.
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Im totally opinionated here.I love em both.I think the "weak" 45 colt case thing comes from the days of the old "Baloon head"cases,that were supposedly weak in the web section.Im sure someone will correct me if Im wrong.I guess the manuals take into account there may still be lots of these around.I dont hot rod either one(44 spec.,or 45 colt).My brass seems to last for a very long time.I dont see any weakness in modern brass for the big Colt.Be safe.
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I don't think there are many who hold the 44 Special above the 45 Colt. I think the 45 Colt is much more popular.

The weak 45 case deal is pretty simple, really. First, at 45 Colt standard pressures, it is perfect. It is when you try to crank it up over SAAMI max. pressures that the cases start to be a problem. This to me represents part of the FUN of reloading for the 45 Colt....

For me, though, I like the 44 Special since I shoot 44 Mag.
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It is when you try to crank it up over SAAMI max. pressures that the cases start to be a problem
This is a MYTH. Read the above article I quoted. The modern .45 Colt case is as strong as the .44Mag case. StarLine even states on their website .... probably because we still have people out there that propagate/believe the myth. Even at that the .45 Colt generates less pressure to do the same job as the .44Mag.... Myth, myth, myth..... .
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I have two batches of 45 Colt brass that I've been using for the past ~3 yrs. one batch has 14 firings on it, the other batch has 10 firings. one batch is starline brass, the other is a mixed batch of R-P and Winchester brass.

Every loading has been a "Ruger Only" load. while most were at the lower end of the spectrum, I'd say that at least 3 or 4 or the loading on each batch were using Linebaughs top loads for a 6-shot revolver. bullet weights ranged from 255 up to 310, with 270 and 310 being the linebaugh loads.

I have not lost a single piece of brass.

Quite often we talk about the 45 Colt operating at lower pressures while achieving similar results (possibly exceeding) as the .44 mag. the lower pressure is a result of the larger surface area of the 45 Colt case. It's not anything magical about the cartridge.

The platform is what limits the operating pressure of the 45Colt. I'm sure that if the 6-shot revolvers could hold up to higher pressures, then we'd be running the 45Colt harder. It's obivious from the big boy cartridges like the 475L, 500L, and 454Casull that recoil isn't the limiting factor in what we're willing to shoot in a 6-shot 45 Colt normal sized revolver. This is the exact reason the 5-shot 45Colts were made..........so that the 45Colt could be pushed to higher pressures and higher velocities. The 5-shots are good up to the 50K psi level. this far exceeds a 6-shot 44 mag. what the .44 mag is a 40K psi cartridge in a 6-shot revolver?

again, i think where the .44 spcl is competitive with the .45Colt is on the medium sized platforms where "Ruger only" 45 colt loads probably shouldn't be used.

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