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This is a discussion on Free-Spin Question within the Ruger Single Action forums, part of the Pistol & Revolver Forum category; I understand that by removing this plunger assembly from my NMV the cylinder will be able to free spin in either direction. Is that true? ...


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Old April 20th, 2017, 02:36 AM   #1
 
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Question Free-Spin Question

I understand that by removing this plunger assembly from my NMV the cylinder will be able to free spin in either direction. Is that true?

What benefits are gained by having total free spin in a non-competition setting?

Is the removal of this plunger assembly harmful to the revolver?

Does it make the revolver any more dangerous?

Have you removed it from your revolver(s)?






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Old April 20th, 2017, 08:15 AM   #2
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Hossbreed44, The plunger's primary function is to allow the cylinder to index on the loading gate when the hammer is fully forward. This make the revolver easier to load or unload. It also produces "clicks" that some people are infatuated with. Removing the plunger (also spring and screw), does not harm the gun at all. It will allow the cylinder to rotate freely in either direction when the loading gate is open. When the loading gate is closed, the gun will function exactly like it did with the plunger installed.

When Ruger was making the Old Model SAs, the hammer had to be at half cock to load or unload. This made the cylinder index with the loading channel in the frame. When the New Models came out, they were changed for safety reasons so the gun can be loaded or unloaded with the hammer fully forward. Problem is .... the loading channel in the frame doesn't index on the cylinder so you have to rotate the cylinder a little to the right. If you pass the index point .... you have to rotate the cylinder almost a full turn to re-index it. When the first mid-frame Blackhawk flattops came out, they were an attempt to emulate an Old Model so the plunger was installed to index the cylinder with the loading channel.

I really don't know what you expect to accomplish by removing the plunger. You won't have a an index point where the cylinder aligns with the frame's loading channel. Granted, you can rotate the cylinder in either direction but in all honesty, it's not as good as having an index point using the plunger. Your gun, your money.
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Sounds more like an oh by the way "look what I discovered" fad. Probably just a shortcut for those who missed kicking out an empty and they don't want to waste their precious time to spin the cyl around one more time.
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Yep!

Good points made by these two fine fellas.

I agree.

She'll stay as is!
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I made the modification....makes no difference in the big scheme of things. But I do like the ease of loading.

I'm simple like that...less moving parts to mess with.
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Well, it's for people like me who use this technique for loading their SA revolvers:

- Load one round
- Index to next chamber
- Try to load chamber and drop round on floor
- Curse while letting next chamber click past where the round can fit
- Swear
- Index to third chamber and load round
- Drop another round on floor
- Over-index the 4th chamber
- Comment using "King's English"
- Load the 5th round
- Be super-careful not to over index 6th chamber
- Bend over and pick up dropped rounds...and in doing so, click the 6th chamber past index
- (^&%^$&^&^^*(&^!!
- Rotate cylinder to first missed chamber and index past
- ^*%&^%&$^%^*%^^$&^&*()()*&!!!!!
- Index to next empty chamber and load round
- Index to next empty chamber and drop round on floor
- Load round
- Try to safely retrieve round on the floor since it rolled past the firing line and others are shooting
- Retrieve round using brass-sweeping broom handle
- Shrug at the other shooters who have stopped shooting to smirk at you
- Rotate cylinder to last empty chamber and finally get that round in
- Lay revolver on bench and consider it thoughtfully...You finally got the damn thing loaded, do you really want to shoot it? Because there's a whole series of similar steps to unload the fired cases out of the damn thing...



Actually, I love my Blackhawks. While I toyed with the idea of making my own free-spin pawls, I like the ratcheting action better.

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ROTFLMAO!!
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Aqualung's post is funny but it is also somewhat accurate. You should try the same loading procedure in the woods when Bambi is in sight! I've often wondered why Ruger didn't use an indexing plunger when they first came out with New Model SA revolvers. The loading or unloading procedure for Blackhawks with the indexing plunger is quite simple. Open the loading gate and rotate the cylinder CCW until it stops. Your chamber will now be perfectly aligned with the frame's loading channel. Load one fresh cartridge then rotate the cylinder clockwise to the next chamber. Repeat the same procedure until all six chambers have been loaded then close the loading gate. The secret is to back up the cylinder until it stops. With a regular NM Single-Six, Blackhawk, or Super Blackhawk. this procedure doesn't work and you may end up in a turmoil like in Aqualung's post.

Funny .... the OP wants to disable this nice feature whereas many Ruger SA owners want to install an indexing plunger. Guess you just can't keep everyone happy.
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Funny .... the OP wants to disable this nice feature whereas many Ruger SA owners want to install an indexing plunger. Guess you just can't keep everyone happy.
Absolutely WRONG!!!

I was just asking some simple questions (see post #4).

I DO NOT intend to disable this indexing system.

Please don't put words into my mouth...


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Plunger out and you can back yourself out of a high primer. Plunger in and you can load in darkness or when you have to keep both eyes on the door.
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Hossbreed44, Let's not get so huffy .... your post INFERRED removal of the plunger, even though it didn't specifically say it. Rather than trying to beat up someone that tried to help you, why don't you word your posts with your intended meaning .... like saying "I DO NOT intend to disable this indexing system", as you did in post #9.
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This part of your post sounded a little degrading:

"Funny .... the OP wants to disable this nice feature whereas many Ruger SA owners want to install an indexing plunger. Guess you just can't keep everyone happy."

I don't want a pi$$ing contest here.

Just a little respect...

Okay?

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Hoss, take it easy.... Relax... This the internet ... don't take anything 'personal' . Grow a thick skin . It works and life goes on!

The new indexing pawl, to me, made the SA work like it should. Hear the click, and ready to insert a cartridge. Now the regular NM blackhawks I can see where maybe doing a free spin makes since as you have to look at it to line up with the loading gate. If you hear the click, you have to go 'around' again.
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In my opinion the whole point of doing the free spin mod on the NM is to eliminate rotating the cylinder too much and having to go around again because the chambers don't line up. I've done it to all my NM blackhawks, single sixes and super blackhawk....loading and especially unloading is greatly improved. Now I have 2 medium frame flattop lipseys exclusives with the reverse indexing pawl system and the chambers line up perfectly. So I really didn't see much advantage to removing the plunger and free spinning them.
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Plunger in and you can load in darkness or when you have to keep both eyes on the door.
If I am on a coke buy or zombie coming, I probably wouldn't choose a SA.
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