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Old April 8th, 2017, 05:54 PM   #1
 
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When Ruger does a transfer bar conversion...

...on old model Blackhawks do they in any way alter, mill or drill any parts of the grip or cylinder frames?

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If you send an old model blackhawk back to ruger for repair they will install the conversion automatically and give you the old parts. I think it makes a safer revolver. I will not own a shooting traditional single action.
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No modifications to the gun. They just fit the conversion parts.

They stamp the bottom of the main frame, where the grip frame will hide it, with an "R".

At least I think it's an "R". I forget. Check your converted .30 if you swap out the parts.


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I will not own a shooting traditional single action.
Why not? When hunting with my OM Super Blackhawk 44 mag, I only chamber 5 rounds and the hammer is down on the empty chamber.
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Why not? When hunting with my OM Super Blackhawk 44 mag, I only chamber 5 rounds and the hammer is down on the empty chamber.
Yeah . . . I was kinda curious about that myself.

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The solid sound of those 3 clicks on the OM are music to my ears.

Having shot SASS for many years I am used to loading one, skipping one and loading four.

Five is enough for me.

To each their own...
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I will not own a shooting traditional single action.

and some should not.....

but those competent with a traditional single action do not have safety issues..
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Wait a minute...

You mean to tell me there's a specific way I have to handle my gun or it's dangerous? Load one skip one do what?

(Frank uses sarcasm to point out that there's a specific way ALL guns must be handled or they ALL are dangerous)
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Mr BWinters has more posts than everyone else in this thread combined. He is probably quite cognizant of how to safely handle a SAA style firearm and has made the decision that the more modern gun is better for his needs.

Quite frankly I use my SBH for hunting or woods bumming and six rounds might come in handy. Now my Pietta clone of an 1860 .44 Army usually gets loaded with five. But it's a range toy.

I believe if I had an unconverted Ruger I would call Ruger and ask if I could send it back minus the conversion parts and decide how to proceed based on their answer.
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I believe if I had an unconverted Ruger I would call Ruger and ask if I could send it back minus the conversion parts and decide how to proceed based on their answer.
Many folks have done exactly that. If I absolutely had to send an OM back to The Factory, I would indeed remove all the good bits. I have not heard that Ruger has any problem with that. They just install the conversion bits as a matter of course. As a matter of fact, I believe it's still a requirement that you agree to the conversion retrofit or Ruger will not perform any work on a returned OM.

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Regarding the safety issues with the old model Rugers-

There was a long and rather heated discussion here a while ago.
My recollection is that you can solve the drop-fire or hammer bump problem by always keeping an empty chamber under the hammer. That's easy to do when loading up, not quite so easy if you cock the gun and then decide not to shoot. More so if it's night or raining hard or something exciting/dangerous is happening around you at that moment.

The slip-fire problem is harder to address. At the range, the gun should be pointed safely down range as you are cocking and so an "early" shot is usually not such a big deal. If you are cocking the gun to possibly defend yourself against an animal or a human, there may be lots of things around that you really do not want to shoot. We can say "be careful", and usually we are, but sometimes stuff happens. Murphy never sleeps.
The less common but more dangerous slip-fire situation comes if something snags the hammer while the gun is in your holster or being handled, then releases it just before full cock. Bang. A holster with "ears" that protect the hammer spur can help, better yet a safety strap that blocks the hammer from moving, should be enough if you use it always.

The safety notch on the hammer is a nice theory but I've heard of far too many cases on both older Rugers and Colts where a blow to the hammer fractured the little notch and the gun fired.

The Ruger conversion on the old guns should eliminate the drop-fire problem, and it eliminates slip-firing from a snagged hammer, because you are not pulling the trigger at the same time. But it does not eliminate slip-firing if your thumb slips off the hammer while you are pulling the trigger to lower the hammer on a live round.

To me, the new guns are nice enough that I don't feel like any additional exposure to accidents is worth the advantages of the older guns. And of course anyone who owns a Colt or Colt clone is in the same boat as an older unconverted Ruger. My advice would be to fully understand the techniques and problems with the older guns (converted or not), and make your own decision. As noted, the conversion solves most of the problems but not quite all. I went with New.

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I never considered an old model dangerous in any way. But if you want to, I suppose it's your right to do so, even if you're wrong.

I suppose a sharp knife is dangerous if you don't use it properly.

Use it properly...that's the key.
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and some should not.....

but those competent with a traditional single action do not have safety issues..
I have been a shooter for 40 plus years. i also have taught 3 daughters two sons in law and severalothers to shoot anad they have wanted to shoot a simgle action so I use the safest one available. I also find the xr3 red grip frame of he new model balckhawk and old model vaquero to be for me vastly more comfortable than the xr 3 or solt style grip. Just like for me the glock all sizes and the luger are poor pointers. By poor pinters I mean after 200 rounds of point shooting I miss a 10 inch paper lpate at 6 feet conssintently sitht he luge glock and colt style single action but I can hit a 10 inch paper plate at 15 feet consistently point shooting with mynew model black hawk and ruger security six. Lastly I may be strange but no gun is a orse pointer for me than any version of a 1911 pistol flat mainspring housing arched etc I hate the feel of a 1911. I love my sr 45 ruger semi.
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Shouldn't run with scissors ...
but scissors make such good batons for relay races
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