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Old March 14th, 2017, 12:26 PM   #1
 
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Ruger vaquero hammers

I'm brand new to this forum. Hope I'm doing this post correctly. Can someone tell me if the hammers in a new Ruger vaquero and a new Ruger bisley vaquero are interchangeable? Both are in 357 cal.

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Kinda. The Bisley hammer has a different "hump" so for a non-Bisley grip frame to accommodate that hump, the hammer slot needs to be lengthened or the hump needs to be recontoured to that of the std hammer.
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Yeah, as stated, they can be made to fit. Easier way is to swap Super Blackhawk hammers.

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Welcome to the forum!

Yeah, what Bob said.

These sections from my Ruger Gunsmithing Primer may be of some help and save you time:
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#1. NM HAMMER CHANGES and BASE SIZES:

Hammer changes are a drop in for any New Model, but hammers designed pre 2005 have a serious cosmetic issue on any gun or grip frame newer than 1997. And it's always an issue when swapping older designed hammers into the NVs and new Flat Tops, because they are the only models whose hammers (including the Vaq Montado hammer) were newly designed in 2005, therefore have the newer large base that properly fit the post 1997 larger grip frame ears.

The SBH and standard hammers in the regular Blackhawks, New Vaqueros, and Single sixes don't fit well in all current production back to 1997 guns and grip frames because their hammers are all of the old 1973 design with small bases*.

If I replace a grip frame and/or install a SBH hammer, the newer grip frame ears look better when dressed down flush to fit a pre 1998 main frame and its hammer or a SBH hammer. Although some aren’t put off by the ears fit; it's no worse than they way they are shipped from Ruger.

If you have a blue gun you have to do some cold blue touchup though. And Ruger is not making any more blue hammers or triggers, all the new blue guns come with stainless Hs & Ts.

*Note: To simplify production in about 1997, Ruger increased the height of the standard cylinder frame mating surfaces on both sides of the hammer ~1/16” to match the Bisley model frame ears so any style grip frame could be assembled to any main frame. Therefore the ears on all other standard grip frames after 1997 had to be made ~ 1/16” taller as well. But Ruger has only enlarged the hammer base to match the taller grip frame ears on the newly designed hammers introduced since 2005 such as the New Vaq standard ‘long horn’ and Montado hammers, and the NM Flat Top Blackhawk hammers, and the .327 Single Seven hammers.

All other hammers designed prior to 2005 used on current model guns are small base and do not match the post 1997 tall eared grip frames. Some people don’t mind. If I install a small base hammer in a post 1997 gun, I fit the grip frame ears to the hammer. I also have to do this every time I install post 1997 grip frame such as the N Vaq and Flat Top XR3 size steel grip frames or XRE-RED size steel grip frames on pre 1997 New Models or on Old Model Rugers.

The result is that the SBH hammer base doesn't fill the back strap ears in a post 1998 grip frame.
Mike Campbell photo.


#2. MY SHORTCUT FOR REMOVING JUST HAMMER and/or PAWL in New Models:

Recognize, when JUST NEEDING to remove the hammer and pawl, you do not need to hassle with the PESKY LOADING GATE SPRING, pull the trigger pin, OR trigger/transfer bar. Once you remove the grip frame, the hammer pin is the only other part you need to remove. After that, just pull the hammer back and all the way down, then depress the hammer plunger in the base of the hammer with a small tipped screwdriver to clear the trigger extension where the transfer bar connects to it. Let the hammer & pawl fall out. Reinstall the hammer and pawl back in the same way they came out. Push the plunger in by pushing it against the trigger extension just like you did with the tip of the small screwdriver, and the hammer will slip by the trigger extension. Piece o’ cake.

Occasionally a hammer change that doesn't cock or just barely cocks is because it's hitting the back of the slot in the grip frame. I have had to slightly lengthen the slot with a few file strokes.

If either the trigger or hammer pin are snug fits, after they’re removed the first time, it’s the opportunity to polish them so they’re slip fits to put back in and remove the next time.


#3. TIPS FOR INSTALLING GRIP FRAMES:

Always unhook both legs of the trigger spring for reassembly, it’s easier to get the spring behind the trigger shelf.

Always leave the cyl out so you can confirm the cyl latch spring/plunger is properly aligned on the latch so it has tension on it by seeing it sticking up thru the frame, before putting in any grip frame screws. Put the cyl pin back in the frame to keep the transfer bar from hanging up on the firing pin when moving the hammer up and down.

The cyl hand spring to the left side of the hammer goes plunger first. Also, you can put a small magnet over the spring to hold it in the hole and just let the grip frame push the magnet out of the way as the grip frame ear slips into position over the hole.

Install all five screws but do not cinch them tight. Align the grip frame edges flush with the cyl frame by tapping with the butt of a plastic handled screw driver. Tighten one trigger guard screw, then front screw and then one ear screw. Then tighten them all. Check for ease of hammer movement to be sure it's not rubbing on grip frame ears.

NOTE: While you have the grip frame off, it's always good to examine the upper end of all the grip frame screws blind screw holes in the main frame (especially stainless guns) for thread shavings that weren't cleaned out from the factory and get crammed in there by the screws.

Also check the two trigger guard screw holes where they are exposed by the milling cut if your grip frame has the two projections that go into the main frame (the New Vaquero and New FT BH guns no longer have these projections and milling cuts). Almost always there will be a huge flat 'roll-over’ burr in each hole from the milling cuts that expose the holes. If they are present they generally cause the 1st 1/8" of removing those two screws to take extra effort to unscrew and can cause screws to screw in too tight and/or break off. You'll need to break off the burrs and pick them out with a dental pick or equivalent tool.


#4. AFTER CHANGING HAMMERS IN NEW MODELS:

The first thing to check is the transfer bar clearance with hammer for reliable firing pin function. When swapping hammers between two guns, it often helps To swap transfer bars as well for proper ignition and to insure the safety feature still works correctly.


TO TEST HAMMER/TRANSFER BAR FOR MISS-FIRES:
With hammer fully cocked, press on the transfer bar to extend the firing pin and observe how far thru the recoil shield it protrudes. Now keep the trigger pulled back, drop the hammer and observe the firing pin again. If firing pin protrudes the same amount, you’re good to go. If it doesn't protrude the same amount, you need to remove just enough metal from the top face of the hammer nose so the transfer bar is pushed tight against the firing pin and the frame. If you remove too much, the transfer bar will not perform its safety function and will be pinched. Also make sure hammer has no friction or contact with grip frame ears around its base to slow its fall and you may have miss-fires; another potential issue when making hammer changes.

IF TRIGGER DOESN”T RETURN, TRANSFER BAR IS PINCHED AND SAFETY IS NOT WORKING:
If the transfer bar is hanging up under the hammer face, since it's connected to the trigger, it prevents the trigger from returning. The transfer bar is slightly too thick. If both ends of the trigger return spring are connected (under the grips), or even if you have only one leg of the spring connected it should pull down the transfer bar if it's the correct thickness. When this happens, the transfer bar safety function will not work. If the gun were dropped, a live round in the chamber under the hammer will fire.

This is not uncommon however, and it's a very simple fix. File the second step of the hammer face, counting from the top, just a bit until the bar no longer hangs up. Don't take too much off or you'll have miss-fires. If that happens file a little more off the top step of the hammer.

IF YOU HAD TO MODIFY HAMMER NOSE:
At the range, double check the safety function by loading a live round in the next chamber to cycle under the hammer, point down range, cock the hammer, hold with thumb, release the trigger to uncock the hammer, take finger off trigger and release your thumb to let the hammer fall. The round will not fire if safety transfer bar is functioning correctly.


#5. MODIFYING BISLEY HAMMER/TRIGGER FOR PLOW HANDLE OR BIRDSHEAD GRIP FRAME:
One must start with a .22 single six Bisley hammer that can still be ordered from Ruger. (sometimes the parts clerk that one speaks to must be convinced they were made.)

Then it's just a matter of dressing down the hump to fit the plow handle grip frame backstrap (as is done with the large frame Bisley hammers on center fire Rugers.)

Before you trace your old hammer, make sure it fits flush with the grip frame ‘ears’. If not you'll want to leave the Bisley hammer larger than the original to final fit flush with grip frame ears.
Use the hammer pivot pin to hold the original and new hammers together and scribe both sides, then grind, file, sand and re-blue (if blued), the portion you filed away. If hammer won’t cock, the issue is that the back of the grip frame slot just needs a very slight lengthening with a small flat or triangular file.

I "hog off" most of the metal with an 1/8" x 1" Dremel course stone; hammer in a vise, or use a cutoff wheel mounted in a bench top grinder. Then true up the course grinding by 'draw filing' with a small double cut triangular file and then square up the corner at the top of the hump. Finish with 600 grit paper wrapped around a 1/4" x 1/2" alum sanding block with flat surfaces, heat with hair dryer, and re-blue with NU Blue or Brownells OxPho blue. That will match the factory finish which is not a high polish. For a higher polish, follow up with 800 grit and 1000 grit. Polish with a Dremel flannel wheel using white rouge made for polishing stainless steel. Then blue.








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Stock Bisley hammer in rear, modified Bisley center and standard hammer in front:
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Hope this is helpful,
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Hammer Swap

Since we’re on the topic of hammer swaps, with my apology for hijacking this thread , I have this question:

Gun 1:
1959 OM Flattop 3-Screw Blackhawk .44 Magnum now with an XR3-RED grip frame. It has a standard-spur hammer. No Transfer Bar conversion.

Gun 2:
1966 OM 3-Screw Blackhawk .357 Magnum now with an XR3-RED grip frame. It has a wide-spur (SBH?) hammer. No Transfer Bar conversion.

Would it be correct to believe that these two hammers can be swapped-out between the two guns without any major fitting?

Should the respective triggers also be swapped-out with their hammers?

Thanks in advance...
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All the old model 3 screws have XR3-RED grip frames after 1962 except the SBHs. So the 1966 model has its original grip frame.

The hammers will exchange. The 44 hammer may be just a bit tall for the 357 which is built on the mid size frame, and it may interfere with the rear site. If it does I would pick up another standard hammer to modify or a standard mid frame hammer that will fit, and keep your 44 hammer original.
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All the old model 3 screws have XR3-RED grip frames after 1962 except the SBHs. So the 1966 model has its original grip frame.

The hammers will exchange. The 44 hammer may be just a bit tall for the 357 which is built on the mid size frame, and it may interfere with the rear site. If it does I would pick up another standard hammer to modify or a standard mid frame hammer that will fit, and keep your 44 hammer original.

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