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Old March 9th, 2017, 01:56 PM   #1
 
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Dang ... Blackhawk buying quandary

I was all set to purchase the 3-3/4" .44 magnum TALO stainless model (as discussed in another thread) until I found a 4-5/8" .44 Special Bisley Flattop blue model. Now I am utterly bedeviled. The former is ~ $100 more than the latter, can handle Magnums (which I might never shoot), and is a perfect compact big bore sixgun for my hiking/outdoor needs. But that Flattop is a beauty too, and only 7/8" longer barrel-wise. The TALO is limited to 750 which will only make it tougher to find in the future (I learned that the hard way as I watched WC GP100s disappear), so I think this would be the more prudent purchase now. Aside from barrel length and grip style, are the two guns roughly the same? Am I merely caught up in semantics? Unfortunately buying both at this time is not an option.



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If you could shoot the Bisley then you would probably be hooked. That and the extra length would be the kicker for me.

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I would want the Talo. Shorter barrel and magnum caliber would sway me for woods carry. Stainless isn't a bad upgrade either, but I like blued just as much. Resale might be better on the Talo too.
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If I had fallen for Ruger SAs earlier in life, things would not be so problematic now in middle age.
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A lot of subjectives, here, so those are your call. One thing that is not subjective, though, is maximizing the performance of the 44 Special if that's what you intend to shoot as the primary cartridge. Why risk potential 44 Special accuracy by shooting it in a 44 magnum, which, as you say, you might never shoot? That extra 7/8" of barrel with the Flat Top won't be much of an issue for carry, but it will add a bit of helpful sight radius and squeeze a bit more velocity out of the 44 Special. A heavy 44 Special load would certainly handle black bears, too, if that's a concern. Again, your call, but just don't see the point of buying a 44 mag if all you want to do is shoot 44 Specials.
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I ended up converting to the Bisley grip frame on my 4-5/8" SBH because the standard frame was a tad too small for my hand, .44 mags aren't too punishing since the conversion



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I've never warmed up to stainless steel sixguns, and a 3 3/4" barreled.44 Magnum makes no sense at all to me. That magnum cartridge needs all the barrel and sight radius up to 7 1/2".

On the other hand, I'm not too crazy about the Bisley, either.

I'm thinking my next will be a .44 Special Flat Top, and swap out the grip frame for an XR-3RED style.

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If I had fallen for Ruger SAs earlier in life, things would not be so problematic now in middle age.
As one who is about to leave middle age, your post puzzles me.


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If you do not need 44 mag capability get the 44 and use heavy 44 special from underwood or buffalo bore or reload.
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Consider the Ruger 45 Colt caliber pistol line. Yes you're going to dealing with a SA revolver but nothing wrong with it. I would suggest the Ruger Blackhawk with adj. sights, a smidgen lighter than the big frame Supers in .44 mag. And since the Ruger Blackhawk models are their most popular revolvers a bit cheaper and they've been out there for decades of use. The .45 Colt round is tamer in recoil yet still packs defensive punch plus the ammo should be cheaper than .44 mag, but not as wide as a selection.
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I have both!; Talo 44 Mag 3.75 Bisley and Lipsey's first 1,000 Flat Top 44 Special

In 2006 I purchased a Super Blackhawk .44 Mag 5.5" Plow Handle.Thanks to Badger after market grip this gun proved comfortable and accurate.

For many years I researched and thought of .44 Special on .357 frame,almost ordered a Bowen package and when the Lipsey .44 Special Flat Top was announced I bought one asap. Plow handle,and comfortable with Buffalo Bore "Heavy" 255 grain.

Should have been End Of Pursuit....but,Oh No!

Slightly bored with running 44 Special "Heavy",the Talo Bisley 44 Mag 3.75 seemed like the next one.
After some search,bought Talo Bisley 44 Mag 3.75 new December 2016.
Dull Thud for me.
Bisley frame proved as painful as original plow handle,the gap behind trigger guard, required special hold...skip it.
Will keep the 44 Special Flat Top

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You mention hiking/outdoor needs. If the gun is going to be for a specific purpose like that, shot rarely and carried a lot, then personally I'd lean toward the shorter barrel portability, stainless steel durability, and magnum versatility. Especially since I don't reload. (Seems like 44 specials can be hard to find.)

If the gun was going to see a lot of other uses like plinking and range shooting, then the longer barrel .44 special would probably be a lot more enjoyable. I'd probably take up reloading at the same time just to keep the thing fed with ammo.
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I think you're hung up on small things. Get the one that grabs your attention most. If you don't like it, sell it and get the other. The fun part of this hobby is that you can try a firearm and swap it for little to no loss.

Personally, I would get the stainless model.
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I have the Bisley 3.75" 44mag and a blued Flattop Bisley 5.5" 44spl. Which one do I like best? Hmmm. Tough call but I'm gonna say the Flattop. It's close though. Very Close.

Why? Well, even though I'm not really a fan of 44mag I think the short barreled Bisley is about as good as it gets for a walking in the woods gun and it's fun to shoot even with the short barrel. OTOH, I've never owned or handled a revolver that points and balances as naturally for me as my Flattop. It's perfection. I also prefer shooting 44spl over 44mag. Most 44mag ammo for me is overkill. I don't need that much horsepower and it makes no sense to me to neuter the 44mag when I have a 44spl I can use.

If you can only have one I'd get the 44spl. However, 44mag and 44spl factory are both relatively expensive to shoot but 44mag is in my experience usually easier to find. Pretty much anybody that sells ammo will have at least some 44mag but that's not necessarily true with 44spl. If you reload it doesn't matter.
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I reload for both the special and the magnum, my magnums are 7.5" Ruger SBH and a S&W Model 29 8 3/8", as well as a Ruger .44Magnum Carbine. My .44SPL's are both Charter Arms a 2.5" and a 3" Classic. Both SPL's seem to get the job done as far as accuracy goes and CCW, however for hunting I prefer the magnums. Again the cost to keep them fed depends primarily on your income.
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