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Old February 26th, 2017, 11:25 AM   #1
 
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Need some Help & Opinions as to What is going On

I'm no gunsmith I'm a Shooter.
It's a Single Six Stainless Steel with a 6 1/2" Barrel.
Got this back from Ruger and it is fairly new. Got it New in October 2016.
They replaced the Pawl, Hammer and Adjusted the Barrel Gap.
Repair, Safety Function Check and Range Testing.
Friday was really nice around here, 76 degrees light wind.
Was shooting in the Shade.
Got to spend some time with it. And in No Big Hurry a nice slow pace.
Was shooting with a Sandbag Rest. 25 yards.
Shot 250 rounds of 22 Magnum first. Hit the Targets but, nothing to write home about.
Next changed over to the 22lr. Cylinder.
Yikes and Hokey Smokes. Noticed something that this thing was doing that it never had done before. Looked like Flame Cutting on the inside of the frame.
My concern will it Erode the Forcing Cone and with time Crack the Mouth of the Barrel?
Ran a bunch of long rifle ammo through it.
Amount of Lead built up was Amazing.
Another thing the Imprint of the C on the area around the Firing Pin is also Amazing.
Sure can see it was from a CCI type of ammo. 36gr cphp mini-mags.
Have not cleaned it and that Hurts. If it has to back to Ruger I want them to see this.
Sure would Appreciate any Help as to what is going on.
Thank's
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Old February 26th, 2017, 11:44 AM   #2
 
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Have a couple of targets.

This here Newfangled Contraption is hitting all over the place.
The one target is before it went to Ruger. Was Happy with it.
The next is the way it is shooting now.
Looks more like 00 Buckshot from the Old Shotgun.
And mind you this is using Sandbags.
From a Accuracy Standpoint. It's not even close.
Both targets were using the same ammo.
Both from the same Brick with same Batch numbers.
CCI 36gr cphp.
Thank's Again for looking.
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I think that is just powder build up, mine (same single sixer) will do that too.
As for accuracy, hmmm..
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1. Flame cutting? No.

2. Leading? Yes. You shot a lot of ammo, doesn't look abnormal.

3. Accuracy bad? Yes, but I doubt it's the gun. Only test for accuracy with a clean gun and non-leaded bore. I think you have severe lead build up in the bore about an inch forward of the forcing cone.

4. Suggestion: clean gun and be sure to remove all lead from the bore and re-test for accuracy. Cleaning bore more frequently will prevent severe bore leading. Consider using a Lewis Lead remover.

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Thank's for your reply.
Read the material, going to look at Brownell's for the Lewis stuff.
Glad that there is no Flame Cutting going on.
Would have gotten rid of this thing ASAP.
Never owned a Single Six before so it is a learning experience.
But, yes I like to keep all of our Firearms on the Clean side of thing's.
If this thing needs to be cleaned after 300 to 400 rounds through it Oh Well it's just the Nature of the Beast.
Thanks again.
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Or the nature of the ammo. Some will lead more than others.

Also every .22 (even the same model) has its own preference for one or two brands or versions of .22 for the best performance. Try as many varieties as you can find to discover which your gun shoots the best.

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Couldn’t agree more with you about the Ammo thing.
Have some 17 different types of long rifle ammo to try with it.
8 different types of 22 Magnum ammo.
I know it will take some time.
Keep in a sandwich bag that includes date & type and count of ammo used. And keep it with the Firearm.
Also save targets with the best results.
Examples, have a SR22PB-EX, feed it Remington Bucket of Bullets and it is Remarkable.
Just got a Henry Golden Boy after we bought the Single Six and using Federal Game-Shok 38gr cphp and I can Honestly say that it is a Tackdriver.
All ready ordered the Lewis Patches.
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I had to go to plated bullets with mine. I got severe leading using straight lead (might have been the brand which I don't remember which) and went to straight plated .22LRs... That solved my problem.

Here is the lead I pulled from mine with a brush....

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Accuracy isn't usually as good with LR as WMR. The LR bullets are slightly smaller and are more prone to leading due to the comparatively loose fit in the barrel. It's the same concept as shooting correctly sized cast bullets.

I shoot a lot of Remington Golden Bullets through mine. This really minimizes the build up of lead and lube inside the frame above the forcing cone. CCI mini mags do a good job as well.

The imprint of a C around the firing pin is incomprehensible to me. Even if the pressure was that high, the orientation of each cartridge would prevent the consistent placement of the letter "C" to imprint it.

Mine don't have a pressure ring on the recoil shield even after thousands of rounds.

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With your lead buildup a good cleaning and then get a lead removal cloth from Birchwood Casey at your LGS. These cloths work great on stainless steel but do not use them on carbon steel blued guns. This cloth removes bluing!!! But I see your Ruger Single Six is Stainless Steel.
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Leading from my son's Walther P22.

Now we only run Remington Golden Bullet through it. No more issues.
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I'm never surprised to see lead in a .22 barrel after a lengthy "shoot".

Hoppe's #9 and a bronze brush.

If it's really bad, letting the Hoppe's soak for a few hours helps.

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After you get it cleaned out check your barrel for roughness. Sometimes they just need to be shot out to smooth things up. You can feel patches drag or catch on rough bores. A smoother bore will help reduce the leading. I look for plated 22 with lots of lube.
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Thank's for the replies.
I take them Whole Heartily.
Sent for Lewis Patches, didn't get them yet. Usually Brownell's is pretty quick about things.
Cleaned this thing up yesterday.
Being Stainless Steel used some penetrating oil on it.
Barrel was sprayed so started working on the cylinders.
Magnum Cylinder cleaned up pretty quick.
Long Rifle one need extra time.
Lead, Gas and Crud was spraying out all over the place while shooting it.
On the long rifle cylinder where They Ingave the Serial Number well on that front face between the chambers lead was built-up. Never seen that before, ever.
Worked on the Barrel, brass brush and solvent.
Did have Birchwood Lead Cloth and used that. It worked just fine.
Cleaned the Cylinder Frame last. With all of the penetrating oil it cleaned up fairly easy.
Checked the tally sheet and one other time just 100 rds. less lr.was ran through it.
But, not anywhere close as to having the 'Mess' as was the last time shooting it.
I know 22 ammo is Dirty to say the least. That's just the way it is.
Checked 2 other revolvers we have.
A Rough Rider and a H&R Model 999. With No Magnum Ammo used. Just the lr.ammo.
The tally sheets on them were around 800-900 rds. But, we're not even being as Dirty as the Single Six was with only firing 100 more lr.rounds.
Thought about it all nite.
Thought how could this be ? Ruger was supposed to be such a Better Firearm.
Was going to check 1 more thing.
Did the Old Cleaning Rod Thing.
Sure enough on the 22 Magnum Cylinder 5 out of 6 Chambers at the 9 o'clock position it hit the Edge of the Cylinder.
Me think's it will be going back to Ruger.
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Looking at the pictures, gave me a good idea what I was in for.
Believe it or not I didn't see anything close to that.
Out of 800 rounds 200 rds.of Federal Premium Target and 100 rds. Of Federal Premium HV Match were the only ones that were not plated the rest were.

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