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This is a discussion on Blackhawk 30 Carbine - The Desolation of Smaug within the Ruger Single Action forums, part of the Pistol & Revolver Forum category; Originally Posted by Waveform GeoJammy, Aqualung nailed it - it's just a Hobbit reference. There's so much hyperbole over the 30 Carbine BH and it's ...


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Old January 23rd, 2017, 05:24 PM   #76
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GeoJammy, Aqualung nailed it - it's just a Hobbit reference. There's so much hyperbole over the 30 Carbine BH and it's report and flash I decided to make reference to Tolkien's dragon.



Neon is Fozzie Bear? Man that's a bit insulting don't ya think? What did poor Fozzie Bear do to deserve THAT?
Do you have a better character suggestion? Maybe gonzo?



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Try some hand loads designed for Smaug's diminutive profile v. those factory loads. Your dragon can be tamed and even domesticated.

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Try some hand loads design for Smaug's diminutive profile v. those factory loads. Your dragon can be tamed and even domesticated.
Will do. So far my 30 Carbine reloads have been along the lines of factory ammo - 110 gr RN over 14 gr of H110. Works great in my M1 Carbine and always been fun in the Blackhawk too. Now that I have both the 7.5" and this it's time to get a little more creative in loading. I like your ideas.
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Just a detail - used a 50LPI checkering file to create some serrations on the front sight ramp. Thanks to Hondo44 for the suggestion - looks much better.

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Just a detail - used a 50LPI checkering file to create some serrations on the front sight ramp. Thanks to Hondo44 for the suggestion - looks much better.

Agreed good job on the suggestion Hondo
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Will do. So far my 30 Carbine reloads have been along the lines of factory ammo - 110 gr RN over 14 gr of H110. Works great in my M1 Carbine and always been fun in the Blackhawk too. Now that I have both the 7.5" and this it's time to get a little more creative in loading. I like your ideas.
I have a recipe for the sierra 110 grain varmint .308 hollow points. Its an awesome looking round. They will not work in the m1 carbine because of length but work fine in the blackhawk. I am planning to work up a 110 vmax round for the blackhawk as well. Just for testing and fun.
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Waveform, my favorite recipe:
  1. CCI small rifle mag primers (I use them with my .357 as well)
  2. 14-15 gr. of Hodgdon H110
  3. Berry's plated 110 bullets, also I've been experimenting with 115 gr. hard cast (BHN 21), GC bullets
  4. As always, Starline brass
Basically, all the same ingredients that go into a 1st class .357 round.

Tim @ Buffalo Bore says he's getting 1583 ft/sec from his 125 gr. hard cast, GC bulleted .30 Carbine rounds out of the Blackhawk.

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Very interesting project. Please continue.

Personally, I think the birds-head grip looks a little "out of scale" on the larger Blackhawk frame, but that's just me. From a functional standpoint, if it feels good to you and offers proper control there's nothing "wrong" with it.

Nice work.



PS Did you consider making up the little "adapter" that allows the use of the OM trigger return spring/plunger in the NM grip frame? I've done a couple and they're really slick. An unexpected side benefit is the small change in geometry that produces a somewhat "lighter" trigger pull without working on the sear bits.

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Waveform, just finished reading from start to finish, I'm greatly impressed, now I've got to find a bargain like that to start out with.
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Dad had a Blackhawk in 30 Carbine growing up(long gone) and the most outstanding memory about shooting it was "Its one hell of a ear splitter"
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Very interesting project. Please continue.

Personally, I think the birds-head grip looks a little "out of scale" on the larger Blackhawk frame, but that's just me. From a functional standpoint, if it feels good to you and offers proper control there's nothing "wrong" with it.
For the record I think the birdshead grip frame looks best on a classic fixed sight SA like a Colt Peacemaker or a Vaquero.

I don't think it's an out-of-scale or proportion issue but rather the adjustable rear and big front sight that spoils the looks. Isn't the heavy frame Vaquero pretty much the same size as a Blackhawk? Ruger did a number of birdsheads on the older heavy frame Vaquero and I think they look OK because the Vaquero frame has more rounded edges and fixed sights. It balances the looks better and fits the style.

The only 30 Carbine SA is the Blackhawk and only in blue and only with a 7.5" barrel so if you want anything different you have go out on your own. I went waaaaay out I guess. One of the most off-the-wall gun projects I've done but I got a kick out of putting it together and it really is a hoot to shoot.
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Another little followup comment. This was a fun project not only because it was different (odd, weird, or whatever) but because I learned a bunch of cool stuff. I tackled my own silver soldering with success. I learned about the slick hammer and trigger that Dave Clements makes and sells for these guns. I got better acquainted with the innards of the 3 screw old models. I learned at the range you don't want to leave out the trigger spring. I learned that ear plugs AND muffs are nice.

Very educational and I highly recommend it.
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I don't think it's an out-of-scale or proportion issue but rather the adjustable rear and big front sight that spoils the looks. Isn't the heavy frame Vaquero pretty much the same size as a Blackhawk? Ruger did a number of birdsheads on the older heavy frame Vaquero and I think they look OK because the Vaquero frame has more rounded edges and fixed sights. It balances the looks better and fits the style.
Yes, the original Vaquero is on the large frame.

If it works for you, great.

If I handled/shot one of these, and it worked for me, perhaps the BH grip wouldn't look so strange to me, eh?

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I just now have read this whole post. Simply amazing! I learned a lot so I may end up tinkering myself. Once again great work and thanx.
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