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This is a discussion on Blackhawk 30 Carbine - The Desolation of Smaug within the Ruger Single Action forums, part of the Pistol & Revolver Forum category; Originally Posted by jski The .30 Carbine is ballistically superior to the .327 Fed Mag. In a 4" barrel? Neither is any great shucks in ...


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Old January 20th, 2017, 09:37 AM   #61
 
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The .30 Carbine is ballistically superior to the .327 Fed Mag.

In a 4" barrel?

Neither is any great shucks in the power department.

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In a 4" barrel?

Neither is any great shucks in the power department.

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2" barrel, 4" barrel, 6" barrel, doesn't matter, the 30 carbine is ballistically better. Bigger case, .100 longer case, slightly smaller bullet. With 110gr ammo, the 30 carbine is about 300 fps faster. The ONLY problem with commercial 30 Carbine ammo, is that most of it is loaded for rifles with longer barrels. You load it for a pistol round, with the right powder, it smokes a 327 all day, plus does not produce the fireworks display 30 Carbine revolvers are known for, with rifle loads
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The front sight. One the left at original height which was way too tall for such a short barrel. On the right the final height after filing it down at the range. Looks more like a DA revolver sight now but the important thing is it works.

Great job! Most short barrels need a higher front sight, but that's not a rule, depends on the cartridge and the load.

I've also had to lower some front sights on shortened barrels. But a suggestion: reshape the ramp angle to look like factory. With the Brownells 50 LPI checkering file you can easily duplicate the factory serrations on the ramp.

This is my 38-40 conversion with reshaped sight after lowering it:

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Take a look at what Buffalo Bore is doing with the .30 Carbine round. Ain't nothing "marginal" about those loads!

They'd make excellent defense rounds.
If that don't trip yer trigger, look at the .30 Streaker
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Great job! Most short barrels need a higher front sight, but that's not a rule, depends on the cartridge and the load.

I've also had to lower some front sights on shortened barrels. But a suggestion: reshape the ramp angle to look like factory. With the Brownells 50 LPI checkering file you can easily duplicate the factory serrations on the ramp.

This is my 38-40 conversion with reshaped sight after lowering it:

Thanks Hondo - your suggestion on the ramp angle is a good one and will be done. And thanks for or the tip on the Brownell's checkering file. I pretty much have Brownells on speed dial it seems!

The new sight was taller than the original factory sight, even though it was the shorter of the two normally stocked by Brownells, so I knew I was going to be filing it down. Turns out quite a bit but I think I can make it look more "correct". Getting the serrations back on the ramp will help.

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So following Hondo's suggestion I changed the front sight ramp to be more in keeping with the original and what a SA sight should look like. I have a 50LPI checkering file on order so I can add the serrations. I agree - looks much better.

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Let me say up front that I realize this thread has turned into a monologue and probably is pretty dull to most folks. I apologize. But for the one or two who may still be interested I'm gonna add a few more photos and share a few more details on this thing.

As many of you know who are familiar with the old 3 screw guns they use a little spring loaded plunger that applies pressure to the trigger from the rear and allows the trigger to get a good latch on the hammer notches for safety, loading and full cock. I'm using a New Model grip frame so I lost the hole that supports the plunger and spring and that's no bueno. The gun will function but it's not very safe so I needed a remedy. I asked around and a couple of the forum gurus were very helpful with some ideas. Hondo44 suggested a couple of possibilities including a trigger that Dave Clements makes that is designed for just this situation - an old model with a New Model grip frame. A visit to Clements website and phone call later and I had a new trigger AND a new hammer on the way.

Clements trigger is a sweet solution. It's wider than the original so it fills the wider slot in a NM grip frame and it's designed to work with the NM trigger spring so it's a bit of a hybrid - OM trigger top and NM trigger bottom.



The Clements hammer was a splurge but it looked so good to me I had to have it. It's a faithful copy of an OM hammer but with a Bisley spur. I wanted a low spur hammer and if I had started with a NM Blackhawk I would have dropped in a SBH hammer. This is even better - it's blued (as is the trigger) so it will look great with a blued gun. I had to do a little fitting on the hammer plunger but otherwise it was a drop in part.

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Dropping back to the base pin for minute to point out a couple things. The short ERH requires a shorter base pin (the exposed part you grasp to pull forward). The standard base pin would have stopped on the ER and still had some pin left in the cylinder, preventing cylinder removal. I cut the head of the pin off flush to the shoulder (vise and hack saw) and rounded it a little bit. Then I chucked it in my drill press and cut a groove in the shoulder using a hack saw against the spinning base pin. Now the pin moves forward to the ER and the cylinder can be removed for cleaning, etc.




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Here's how it looks now. Items left to do include serrations on the front sight ramp and some more polishing on the grip frame. Then it's off to get reblued.





I ran another box of factory ammo through it just to check function and to remind myself what a lousy shot I am. This was at an indoor range and 10 yards. Probably explains why I enjoy tinkering on 'em more than shoot 'em.... But at least the sights seem to be regulated OK even if I do put 'em all over the place.

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Wave - for my 2 cents worth - please continue the monologue! I'm currently struggling thru parts of Summa Theoligica (in baby steps) - so Summa Waveformia is a nice break . I'm anxious to see what you do with the finish. But, clicking around today, I came across an RF member named Smaug. I'm fairly new here - did I miss something back in early RF history with you and Smaug?
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Wave - for my 2 cents worth - please continue the monologue! I'm currently struggling thru parts of Summa Theoligica (in baby steps) - so Summa Waveformia is a nice break . I'm anxious to see what you do with the finish. But, clicking around today, I came across an RF member named Smaug. I'm fairly new here - did I miss something back in early RF history with you and Smaug?
Smaug is a literary reference to the dragon in J.R.R. Tolkien's "The Hobbit".

The lands around the Misty Mountain were laid bare or in fear of by the dragon and thus identified as "The Desolation of Smaug".

Waveform, I'm still hanging on in interest to how it's coming along...even if I join Statler and Waldorf (a.k.a Tacky and Neon Horse) in heckling

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Bravo Waveform, the project is really shaping up! I like the new front sight blade shape!
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Smaug is a literary reference to the dragon in J.R.R. Tolkien's "The Hobbit".

The lands around the Misty Mountain were laid bare or in fear of by the dragon and thus identified as "The Desolation of Smaug".

Waveform, I'm still hanging on in interest to how it's coming along...even if I join Statler and Waldorf (a.k.a Tacky and Neon Horse) in heckling

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Heckling, nah, what would give you that idea? I usually heckle neon more than wave. right wave. If anything I am Waldorf, and Waveform is Statler, so that would make neon fozzie bear.

Looking good wave, carry on my wayward son, their will be peace when you are done.

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Wave - for my 2 cents worth - please continue the monologue! I'm currently struggling thru parts of Summa Theoligica (in baby steps) - so Summa Waveformia is a nice break . I'm anxious to see what you do with the finish. But, clicking around today, I came across an RF member named Smaug. I'm fairly new here - did I miss something back in early RF history with you and Smaug?
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Smaug is a literary reference to the dragon in J.R.R. Tolkien's "The Hobbit".

The lands around the Misty Mountain were laid bare or in fear of by the dragon and thus identified as "The Desolation of Smaug".

Waveform, I'm still hanging on in interest to how it's coming along...even if I join Statler and Waldorf (a.k.a Tacky and Neon Horse) in heckling

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GeoJammy, Aqualung nailed it - it's just a Hobbit reference. There's so much hyperbole over the 30 Carbine BH and it's report and flash I decided to make reference to Tolkien's dragon.

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Heckling, nah, what would give you that idea? I usually heckle neon more than wave. right wave. If anything I am Waldorf, and Waveform is Statler, so that would make neon fozzie bear.

Looking good wave, carry on my wayward son, their will be peace when you are done.
Neon is Fozzie Bear? Man that's a bit insulting don't ya think? What did poor Fozzie Bear do to deserve THAT?
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