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Old January 17th, 2017, 02:24 AM   #46
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Yup, that should make his eyes twinkle.
My eyes always twinkle.



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Old January 17th, 2017, 08:25 AM   #47
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My eyes always twinkle.
Hmmm, I missed that last time we shot togather, must have been the excess kordite from shooting.
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Hmmm, I missed that last time we shot togather, must have been the excess kordite from shooting.
As I understand it the twinkling last time at the range was from the tears after Neon shot your 454 Alaskan.
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As I understand it the twinkling last time at the range was from the tears after Neon shot your 454 Alaskan.
It was ouchy! Who wouldn't twinkle after that?
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Waveform,

That grip looks way out of proportion to the frame, to my eye. But the installation of the front sight is very interesting, as is the rest of your work.

I do believe you have achieved your goal. Thanks for sharing with us.


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Bob, not every gun is required to have a "purpose" other than to just do it. There is no real purpose in a lot of guns, even factory ones, that another could not do. I personally see no purpose in a 2" barrel Redhawk chambered in a 454, yet we have it and they seem to sell plenty of them. It would be hard to even argue the purpose of the 30 carbine chambering in a pistol period, but they been making them for years.

As to the look of it............that's why it's a "custom". Built the way the end user wanted it and that's good enough. I like it......would I build it? probably not, but I still like it.

I have a 30 carbine cut to 4 5/8. Everybody said "why in the world would you do that"........because that's what I wanted
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I was thinking about grip frames and proportions and styles and preferences and options and it occured to me that Ruger really does give folks a lot of options in SA styles. Ruger SA are not replicas so they have their own unique attributes and there's something for just about anyone. The Ruger Bisley doesn't faithfully copy the Colt and the Birdshead doesn't either. And that's OK - they're not trying to copy anybody and between the plow handle, Bisley, Birdshead or Dragoon there's a lot to consider. I like the Birdsheads even though the grip is a little small in my hands. I don't care much for the Bisley but lots of folks do and that's cool. I had a Dragoon framed SBH but found the trigger guard would sometimes bite my knuckle pretty good, a common complaint. Others seem to shoot them just fine. I saw a Dragoon on a 5.5" barrel gun once and thought it looked odd but the owner probably loved it. There's no one-size-fits-all right answer and there's a lot of options in just the factory models let alone what you can create by swapping grip frames, cutting barrels, re-chambering, etc. Thankfully we don't all like the same stuff or it would be a really boring world.

Here's a photo of the FrankenRuger "Smaug" besides my heavy frame Vaquero in 45 Colt. The Vaquero is stock except I had a talented guy checker the grip panels for me a few years ago and I swapped out the hammer for a SBH hammer. To me the Birdshead looks best on a Vaquero with its fixed sights but I'm OK with the Blackhawk setup.

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I couldn't resist taking Smaug out for a test drive today. The grip frame is not completely fitted and polished and I need to settle on a plan for the trigger return spring but it was functionally complete enough for a little dance and a chance to file down the front sight to get the elevation dialed in. So off to range we went with a box of factory ammo.





Sorry - no range photos since I was by myself and kinda busy. I would load 5 shoot a couple and file down the sight, shoot a couple and file down the sight, reload....wash, rinse, repeat. By 40 rounds I had the elevation pretty well dialed in. Windage was a few clicks off so I probably don't have the front sight perfectly dead nuts on center but I tell myself the factory doesn't always nail it perfectly either. The sights will be just fine.

I can't really say if it was any louder or had more flash than my 7.5" model. I did wear ear plugs and muffs and it was plenty loud and flashy but I need to run both side by side and have somebody video it to really know what kind of difference, if any, there really is. Recoil was still mild and it's a pleasant Birdshead to shoot. Accuracy was pretty good when I did my part. I think I really like this little snot rod.
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As I understand it the twinkling last time at the range was from the tears after Neon shot your 454 Alaskan.
Now that you mention it.
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Take a look at what Buffalo Bore is doing with the .30 Carbine round. Ain't nothing "marginal" about those loads!

They'd make excellent defense rounds.

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You are not getting those 10 inch barrel ballistics with that cutdown barrel? I would hazard a guess that you are in the .327 Federal velocity range with that 4 inch barrel, given case size, chamber pressures and bullet weights. Not that this is a bad thing but it is not (!) a .30 Carbine in ballistic capabillity.
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You are not getting those 10 inch barrel ballistics with that cutdown barrel? I would hazard a guess that you are in the .327 Federal velocity range with that 4 inch barrel, given case size, chamber pressures and bullet weights. Not that this is a bad thing but it is not (!) a .30 Carbine in ballistic capabillity.
Point well taken. The factory 7.5" barrel is short in comparison to the M1 Carbine so we're already losing the ballistics performance of what is essentially a rifle round. But this is just a fun gun with no purpose beyond simply being loud, flashy and fun so ballistics performance is not a critical attribute. It does punch holes in paper where it's aimed and that's all that matters at this point.
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The front sight. One the left at original height which was way too tall for such a short barrel. On the right the final height after filing it down at the range. Looks more like a DA revolver sight now but the important thing is it works.

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Looking good! It's interesting how much the front sight needs to be filed down alongside the barrel.
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Thank you for posting your work. I love seeing the different things that can be done to guns of all types. Birdshead 30 carbine, yep, you are probably the first, maybe only...........


P.s. I think it looks good!
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And what's with making a more-impotent revolver.
The .30 Carbine is ballistically superior to the .327 Fed Mag.

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