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Old January 4th, 2017, 09:34 PM   #1
 
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.45 ACP/Long Colt Blackhawk

I'm looking to purchase a .45 Convertible Blackhawk 4 5/8 barrel. I see there are both a blued and stainless model. The stainless is lighter? Are they built on different frames.

I would like to plink with the .45 auto but have the .45 Long Colt for the woods. Will both handle heavy Long Colt loads?

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I read a review of this puppy and noted a comment concerning the double action .45Colt/.45ACP.

Basically, the Blackhawk is a better solution owing to the fact it's a 2 cylinder solution. Whereas, the double action is a single cylinder trying to do double duty.

With the Blackhawk, in both cases, the bullet is immediately forced into cylinder throat. Not true for the double action firing a .45ACP.

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5Sport,

Are you referring to the NM Flat Top Blackhawk in blue and stainless? These are built on the same mid-size cyl frame, both with steel grip frames. They weigh the same at 36 ozs.

But I think you've compared the standard NM Blackhawk (non flat top) in blue which is built on the large cyl frame at 39 ozs., with the NM Flat Top Blackhawk in stainless above at 36 ozs.

Because Ruger does not make a 4 5/8" NM Blackhawk (non flat top) large frame in stainless.

This is not your fault because Ruger does not distinguish between the two in their catalog labeling; calling them all just Blackhawk. You must study the photos to know whether you're looking at the Flat Top Blackhawk mid-size frame or the standard Blackhawk large-size frame.

I hope this is helpful,
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I'm looking to purchase a .45 Convertible Blackhawk 4 5/8 barrel. I see there are both a blued and stainless model. The stainless is lighter? Are they built on different frames.

I would like to plink with the .45 auto but have the .45 Long Colt for the woods. Will both handle heavy Long Colt loads?

Thanks,
The stainless is actually heavier, due to the steel grip frame vs. the aluminum grip frame of the blued model. They are built on the same frame and can both handle heavy loads.

Unless you are talking about the Flat top.

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I'm looking at the New Model Blackhawk and I noticed on the Ruger site that the Lipsey gun is stainless and the blued one looks like it is out of their regular catalog. I just want to make sure that they can take full loads.

Thank you for the replies so far.
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I'm looking at the New Model Blackhawk and I noticed on the Ruger site that the Lipsey gun is stainless and the blued one looks like it is out of their regular catalog. I just want to make sure that they can take full loads.

Thank you for the replies so far.
I think by "full loads" you're referring to RUGER ONLY TIER THREE LOADS.

Only the NM Blackhawks blue or stainless WITH THE LARGE SIZE FRAME are safe with RUGER ONLY LOADS. The large size 45 frame has protective ribs on the top strap on both sides of the rear sight.

It depends on which Lipseys guns your referring to, NM FLAT TOP Blackhawk or NM Blackhawk:

If it's a Lipseys NM FLAT TOP Blackhawk blue or stainless, NO; they are built on the mid-size frame and are only safe with standard factory loads and Tier TWO loads.

If it's a Lipseys NM Blackhawk, blue or stainless, then yes, it has the large size frame and is safe with all loads.

I hope this helps you,
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It does. So I am clear I am looking for a New Model Blackhawk.

The New Model Flat Top Blackhawk is a mid-size frame and not what I am looking for.

If that is correct I very much appreciate the reply and advise.

On another note is the Super Blackhawk frame larger than the New Model Blackhawk .45 convertible or are they the same size frame?

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1. Correct you do not want a NM FT BH.

2. Yes, the Super Blackhawk frame is the same large size used on all NM Blackhawks, regardless of caliber.

3. Unfortunately if you want the large frame in stainless, Ruger does not currently produce a 4 5/8" NM Blackhawk (non flat top) large frame 45 Convertible in stainless, either as regular production or distributor exclusive.

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I actually enjoy shooting ACP out of my 45 NM Blackhawk convertables more . I have one 7.5 that Ive had probably close to twenty years thats never had the 45 LC cylinder fired.

Its one of the most enjoyable pistols I have to shoot,, followed a close second by a NM Blackhawk convertable 6.5 with the 9mm cylinder in.

Both are fun and very accurate.
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I have the Bisley version. I think its the 0472 model. I do find myself shooting the acp's more just because its the only revolver i have that i can do it from. The colts usually out of my 6 1/2" model. Ron
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So the Lipsey Model Number: 5242 listed on the Ruger web site is a medium frame revolver, correct.

Sorry to beat a dead horse but I don't want to order the wrong revolver. It's hard to find someone with them in stock so I can actually feel and compare the guns.
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So the Lipsey Model Number: 5242 listed on the Ruger web site is a medium frame revolver, correct.

Sorry to beat a dead horse but I don't want to order the wrong revolver. It's hard to find someone with them in stock so I can actually feel and compare the guns.
Correct, 5242 is a medium frame, flat top. Click on the small picture which gets you here: Ruger® New Model Blackhawk® Convertible Single-Action Revolver Model 5242

and see the flat top frame in the enlarged photo. Also note the weight is only 36 ozs.
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This is a Blackhawk built on the larger frame. Take note of the step at the rear of the top strap where the rear sight is. This is what you are looking for.


This is a flat top. Note the flat top. These guns are slightly smaller, the same size as the original Colt Single Action Army so they're a bit lighter and handier but are not safe for the "+P" or "Ruger Only" loads. Hope this helps.



Kinda unrelated but I regret not buying my stainless Blackhawk as a convertible model, I would still have it today if I had. I also regret not buying a .41 magnum flattop when I had the chance. Did see a flat top stainless convertible at a gun store not long ago. Tempting but it didn't quite do it for me. But if I ever find a New Vaquero stainless convertible, probably gonna grab that. I also know where there's a .44 magnum Vaquero I should grab.

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Thank you again. Now it makes perfect sense and I know what to look for.
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I actually ordered a SS Blackhawk 5.5" online thinking it was a Flattop. The photos were not the best and I wasn't completely educated about Blackhawks when I did it. You are smart by asking questions so you don't make a similar mistake.

BTW I kept the gun and like it very much.
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