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Old January 18th, 2016, 09:28 AM   #61
 
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The shoulders of the main frame are awfully low similar to the pre 1997 guns, before the frame shoulders were made generically taller to fit both plow handle and Bisley grip frames.

The shoulders will need to be contoured back to the recoil shield to blend correctly with the top of the Bisley grip frame and w/o taking too much off the Bisley above the grips.

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The shoulders will need to be contoured back to the recoil shield to blend correctly with the top of the Bisley grip frame and w/o taking too much off the Bisley above the grips.

Not being a blued gun has its benefits.
Can you use his photo in "Paint" and draw a line showing the correct contour?
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This explains the correct way:

Because of the standard plow handle main frame angle on old models and pre 1997 new models shown below, that were made for low eared grip frames, fitting the top of Bisley grip frames to Old model guns and pre 1997 NMs can be a little more challenging as you can see. If you try to maintain the angle of the main frame, you run out of metal on the Bisley grip before you would ever mate the two together. The solution is to carefully decrease the angle of the main frame at the recoil shield. Of course both spots will require a little touch up with cold blue on blue guns.

This shows the wrong way:
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FINALLY - I called in and got the right person, so I have 2 Bisley Single Six Stainless hammers on their way to Kansas... I'd called 3 times prior and the rep kept insisting that no such part was in their system.

On Hondo's photo - I'd second his advice, but maybe say it differently. You can see how the top red line will cut clear through the flare at the top of the backstrap. I bolt them together and start running the file to make a gentle curve from the backstrap all the way to the recoil shield.

To make that curve look proper on the revolver in the photo, the topline will almost be dead flat, so you have to be careful to make it look right.

I tend to reduce the height on the cylinder frame on a lot of my revolvers - birdshead grip and plowhandle usually. If I'm fitting grip frames and doing any re-polishing (and rebluing when applicable), I figure I might as well take the bosses on the frame down a little and put in a more flowing curve anyway. The bosses on the cylinder frame tend to be nearly straight, which looks screwy when you have a curved ear coming up from the grip frame tied to it. So I profile that out and run the curve smoothly up from the top of the grip to the recoil shield. It's extra work for a very minor change in appearance, that most people will never know happened, but I know...
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Old January 19th, 2016, 05:16 PM   #65
 
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Varminterror,

Couldn't have said it better. Since all the cyl frame bosses were made generically higher in 1997 (see below), the plow handle grip frame ears are ridiculously oversize and look especially bad on the little single six models. And that's the reason hammer bases are sunken so far with the ears very proud over the base. I take the ears down flush with the hammer base on all post 1997 guns or replace the hammer with NM FT hammers; those (and New Vaquero hammers but they have the ugly spur) are the only ones with the matching size base. Putting post '97 steel XR3 grip frames on NMs require the ears be made flush, and also on OMs since there's no OM hammers with large bases.

Grip Frame Ear Changes to be aware of: the ear height around the base of the hammer varies on all grip frame ears slightly due to hand fitting at the factory, but there was one specific big height increase. To simplify production in 1997, Ruger increased the height of the standard cylinder frame mating surfaces on both sides of the hammer 1/16” to match the Bisley model frame ears so any style grip frame could be assembled to any main frame. Therefore the ears on all other standard grip frames after 1997 had to be made ~ 1/16” taller as well. So there's basically two sizes: as short as .530” pre 1997 and as tall as .590” after 1997 (for example: Original Vaqueros over serial range 56-XXXXX). Measure from the very top edge of the grip panel to the top of the ears. That's why swaps are simplified if any acquired grip frame matches the vintage of your Ruger that you want to put it on. This also affects the hammer base fit to the grip frame ears.

New XR3 steel grip frame (which are all post '97) with ears fitted to OM single six cyl frame. And Bisley hammer fitted to both:

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Shipping off my Single Six and Bisley grip parts to John Gallagher on Thursday, hope to have it back in March.
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Here it is with a Bisley hammer,grip frame and iron wood grips all custom from Jack Huntington and a trigger smoother than a Colt



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Very nice!
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So what kind of holster for the Hunter it looks like you have to use a universal of some kind looking for around the waist cowboy style

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Changed the grips to these:

Okay...now I'm jealous! That is absolutely beautiful!

I'm in the process of changing my 6.5" SS Single-Six to a Bird's Head Grip (never did like those plow handle grips)...fit is nice...we'll see how well it 'fits' and functions when it's all done!
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Got my Single Six Bisley conversion back from John Gallagher a few days ago. I'm happy!

Here are the "before" fitting pictures:





Here are the "after" fitting pictures:





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It appears that DropBox's change in policy this year about having a publicly accessible folder caused all of the images I posted to disappear, and it doesn't look like I can edit my individual posts in this thread to fix the links. So below are most of the images that I posted, with DropBox links in case the images don't display:


https://www.dropbox.com/s/knadkpbzfs..._2469.JPG?dl=0

BEFORE fitting:


https://www.dropbox.com/s/2pq429dmaj...small.JPG?dl=0


https://www.dropbox.com/s/h8h0ssluz1...small.JPG?dl=0


https://www.dropbox.com/s/yz7xxy1odf...small.JPG?dl=0

AFTER fitting:


https://www.dropbox.com/s/a2ni9gxryh...edium.JPG?dl=0


https://www.dropbox.com/s/jcbo01te9a...edium.JPG?dl=0


https://www.dropbox.com/s/gs6l9yyw7x...edium.JPG?dl=0
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Very nice work!
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Very nice work!


Thanks! To be clear, the fitting was done by John Gallagher of Alabama.
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