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Old February 7th, 2015, 05:09 AM   #1
 
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New Vaquero TALO .45ACP back to mother ship

Well, bought a Ruger TALO New Vaquero at the end of last year. Came in .45 ACP with the short 3.5" barrel, and Birdshead grip. Looks sweet, and I worked the action a bunch before taking her out, so it smoothed up real nice.

So, took her out to the range for the first time in December. The other 45 I had was an EB Kobra Carry. Shooting Federal American Eagle 230 gr. FMJ's, they worked fine out of the EB. Went to shoot the Ruger, and at first I could tell where the heck the rounds where hitting since there where multiple bulls eyes on the target.

I pulled it in to @ 25', and saw that it was hitting way down and to the left. (No, I was not pulling the trigger ala' nooby shooter). I had my brother shoot her next to see. I could actually see the bullet flying, like in those Hickok45 videos when he shoots at the 75 yd. gong, except this was 25'. You could not see that when shooting the same ammo out of the EB.

Took her out again 2 weeks ago, and was very careful, and rested my hands on my range bag. Best I could do at 25' was this group @ 1.25", but 4-4.5" low, and 2-2.5" left. So, I had to send her in for repair. I was not able to measure bore diameter or cylinder bore diameters to tell if out of spec. I'll let Ruger figure it out.

One thing I did notice when I tried to load some Lead HC 250 gr. bullets I had, was that I could not get them to load into the chambers. I shot them out of other .45 wheel guns, and 1911's, they just would not load into the Vaquero. Not sure what that means...

Anone have similar experiences?




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Old February 7th, 2015, 05:19 AM   #2
 
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Sorry to hear, but I have the same revolver and I've not had any issues in the 3 years and thousands of rounds I've put through it. The heaviest I've put through it has been 230gr, but it was still POA POI @ 25yds.
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Yep, luck of the draw, so to speak. Definitely something wrong with it. Ruger should be able to straighten her out, I am hoping. Barrel appears on straight, and the front sight post is on straight, unlike some S&W revo's I have seen with the canted barrel.

Sorry no pics taken before I sent her in, but she certainly is a purty little thing.

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Same gin and mine shoots fine, just got it last month. At 20 yds mine shoots a couple inches low, but I'm still getting used to the sights so if it's still low later I may stone down the FS, my windage is good.

P.S. I am so glad someone else will admit they have had a S&W with canted sights! Mine was on a .38 j frame Airweight, the sight was at 11 o'clock position. The GS was willing to trade since I still hadn't shot it, guess what, the other 3 they had were the same way, they even agreed with me, so I traded for a glock. I digress.
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You got it WASP, my S&W mod. 60 3" is at S&W getting the canted barrel fixed. I have no idea when I will see it again, but it really was bothering me. I really like the gun though, and it does shoot nice, just that the rear was all the way over to the left...
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Fixed sight rugers usually shoot low (high front sight) so you can file the front sight to your specific load. I'd kiss the front sight with a file to bring poi up, might just settle your windage also. Settle on one load for it before you take the file to it though. Shooting groups like that I wouldn't want the factory dicking with it but that's just me.
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You sent it back, so let's see what they say. However, I have found that every Vaquero that I have owned (5) have shot different groups with different factory ammo. The best way to get the bullet where you want it to go is with hand loads. Low to the left is normal, and as someone said a little file work will usually fix the low problem. Good luck.
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the bullets might be slightly oversize did you measure them?
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the bullets might be slightly oversize did you measure them?
The bullets that would not load in this particular .45 are Missouri PinBusters, .452 Dia. (Missouri Bullet Company)

They mic out at .452. But they load fine in my Smiff 22-4 and 625-3.

I guess what confuses me is the fact that I could see the bullet flying within 25'. Somehow, something is making it so the velocity is way down coming out of this gun, because they worked fine in the 1911. Same exact box of 100 rds.

No, I don't have access to a Chrono, nor does my range allow you to set one up.
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You sent it back, so let's see what they say. However, I have found that every Vaquero that I have owned (5) have shot different groups with different factory ammo. The best way to get the bullet where you want it to go is with hand loads. Low to the left is normal, and as someone said a little file work will usually fix the low problem. Good luck.
I hear you. I do hand load. But, I just feel that there is more going on here than just a high front blade. Blazer Brass 230 gr. FMJ did the same thing. So, once I start taking off metal to no avail, I got nothing to say to Ruger. New gun, new warrantee.

I'm not cutting on Ruger, I have faith that they will correct it. I do like their products. I want this one to work, it is a pretty slick set up.
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Yes, I have had some pretty nice guns, but to me this model is prettier and theres just something special about it over my other handguns. I've even CCW with it some.

Right now mine is getting some buckeye biurl grips and a Mernickle holster made up.
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If you get it back and they don't change the cylinder, or even if they do and your loads won't chamber, google my user name and cylinder throats you will come up with enough hits to figure out what to do with it..
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they just would not load into the Vaquero. Not sure what that means...

Anone have similar experiences?
Under size throats usually... Doug can fix you up. Also I seat my 250g RNFP just a bit deeper into the case which helps. Remember in the Ruger they headspace on the case mouth. Other guns use moonclips or some such gadget.

As for shooting low, that is very good thing because you can always file the front sight to bring your 'goto load' up to POA. If it shot high, you can't do anything about it.... The shooting left unfortunately can only be handled by slightly turning the barrel (or some bend the front sight). Just don't file until you have settled on 'the' load. Then make adjustments.
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Thanks Doug, I appreciate it. Once again, I knew I came to the right place.

I suppose I have to wait to find out what Ruger does with it, before I go busting' anyone's chops about it. I suspect there is some Bore Dia., chamber or cylinder gap thing going on, at least in some part. We'll see.

I'll certainly give it the old drop test with the PinBusters when I get it back, like I did with the old model 25 I had, to test the cylinder chamber diameters.
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Fish I was looking at the head and center of mass shots on your larger target, looks like it was shooting okay there, so I guess I'm not totally clear on what's wrong. Were those shots made at close range?
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