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Old January 18th, 2015, 06:19 PM   #1
 
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Free spin pawl??

How does a free spin pawl work in a new vaquero when the plunger is what keeps the cylinder from rotating backward? Couldn't you just remove the little plunger that lines the chambers up with the gate? Just wondering as the pawl doesn't touch the teeth on the cylinder with hammer down.



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Old January 18th, 2015, 07:57 PM   #2
 
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Yes.
I've removed the plungers on two of my Rugers.
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I need to free spin my Blackhawk now that you mention it, my Vaqueros have spoiled me.
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I need to free spin my Blackhawk now that you mention it, my Vaqueros have spoiled me.
My Vaquero isn't free-spin. Did you altar yours?
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My Vaquero isn't free-spin. Did you altar yours?
Nope, not sure what I was thinking. I guess I've been shooting the double action too much and the single action not enough. I've planned on free sprawling them all for a couple years but haven't gotten around to. I was planning on adding free spin pawls IIRC instead of actually modifying a part already on it.
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I removed those plungers on my two Flattop .44s because I don't entirely trust them, over time.
The free-spin result was a bonus.
In "plungered" guns that's all you need to do, no alteration of any parts.
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Anyone have pics or a diagram? I don't know what the "plunger" is. I'm interested in your story and wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
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Anyone have pics or a diagram? I don't know what the "plunger" is. I'm interested in your story and wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
I do not have pics but if you cock the hammer and look down inside next to the transfer bar you will see a little allen screw. remove that and the spring and plunger and you will have free spin.
Here is another thread with some more info:
Can flattop/new vaquero free spin/reverse indexing pawl be eliminated?
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Brandi, Here's a photo of a mid-frame BH recoil shield (same as a New Vaquero) showing the indexing plunger. The concept is ... when the loading gate is open, the spring loaded plunger will allow the cylinder to rotate clockwise. When the cylinder is rotated CCW, the plunger will contact one of the cylinder's ratchets and allow the cylinder to index where the chamber will align with the loading channel ... much like an OM Ruger SA. Factory free spin pawls have a "leg" on the base so when the hammer is fully forward, the leg pushes the tip of the pawl back into the frame where it doesn't contact the ratchets .... as shown in the photo. If you look at a standard BH, the pawl will protrude.

If you look at the base of the hammer (from the rear), you will see an Allen head set screw. If you remove the set screw, you can then remove the spring and plunger, thus making the cylinder free spin when the loading gate is open.


Standard Single-Sixes, Blackhawks, and Super Blackhawks don't have a factory free spin pawl but you can make one by filing the tip as shown in this photo:

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My Vaquero isn't free-spin. Did you altar yours?
Troop,

Brandi should have said her "NEW Vaqueros" or her mid frame sized Vaqueros. Different gun than yours. You have just a "Vaquero", the original large frame size which does not have the newer Ruger "Indexing Pawl System" like hers.

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Hex head retaining screw to remove the 'Cylinder Rotation Stop Pawl' or "Ejection Alignment Pawl" as Ruger labeled it, shown above:



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My NMBH 41 Magnum does not have that plunger. The cylinder clicks when well past the chamber alignment point, after which the cylinder will not go in reverse
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All makes sense now.
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All makes sense now.
Not to me ....

I don't understand why someone would prefer the free spin option to the handy plunger stop pawl. On my large frame Vaquera (she's a girl ) I have to manually line up each cylinder chamber with the ejector. I can see why I might want to be able to "free spin" a chamber back if I go too far.

With the newer Vaquero and others, you rotate the cylinder until it clicks, then rotate BACK a bit until it locks and, as if by wizardry, the chamber is lined up with the ejector. From what I have observed, at the range, once they learn the procedure, the ejection and reloading is done quickly with no fumbling around.
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I agree. I just wondered why one would purchase a new power custom pawl for a new vaquero when it doesn't make contact with the cylinder unless hammer is pulled. Old models vs new is all. Personal preference is all. I like the cylinders lined up to load unload. Wish my super was that way.
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