pistol grip on a home defense shotgunThis is a discussion on pistol grip on a home defense shotgun within the Ruger Shotguns forums, part of the Rifle & Shotgun Forum category; I'm in the keep it simple/ if it ain't broke don't fix it school of shotgunning. So no folding colapsible or pistol grip stock. I ...  |
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August 15th, 2011, 06:09 PM
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I'm in the keep it simple/ if it ain't broke don't fix it school of shotgunning. So no folding colapsible or pistol grip stock. I actually use my 1897 riot copy I set up for Cowboy action for HD duty. I am thinking of updating to a Remington model 11 trench gun when I find one for the right price.
Last edited by mavracer; August 15th, 2011 at 06:14 PM.
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August 15th, 2011, 06:32 PM
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I think a straight pistol grip with no shoulder stock is a bad idea. Very hard to control.
A folding stock on a shotgun seems useful for some special storage concealment applications, but thats it.
I prefer a smallish (almost youth) full stock. Nothing wrong with a pistol grip on a full stock.
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August 15th, 2011, 06:47 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: San Diego
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I've had a lot of training with pistol grip shotguns. I put PLENTY of rounds through the Benelli 1014 and have had a lot of training with pistol grip shotguns. I prefer the pistol grip collapsible version because my wife handles it better now than most men I've trained with. Also because it's easier to handle myself in my home from room to room with the stock collapsed and shoulders perfect collapsed or extended. I'm using the Knoxx/Blackhawk spec ops without the recoil absorbing springs on an 870 clone. I did add a limbsaver pad. This things function very well.
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August 15th, 2011, 06:55 PM
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I think part of the reason that I prefer the pistol grip w/ no stock is due to my build. I'm short and stalky, broad shoulders but short arms. With a standard shot gun I feel over extended and take all the recoil into my shoulder, hence the longer time to get back on target. I'm pretty well built, and with my pistol grip I control the recoil in my muscles instead of my skeleton. Again, this is what works for me. I've spent time w/ each, never fell in love w/ a stocked shot gun, but love firing my Cruiser American. Everyone needs to make up their own mind based on what works for them. `
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August 15th, 2011, 07:05 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: California
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If you are talking about pistol grip only, bad idea.
A shotgun with a stock, either conventional or pistol grip, is more versatile and controllable.
With a PG only, hip shooting is really the only shooting you can do. The recoil goes to your hand and wrist. If you get into a close quarters situation the BG has all the leverage to take the gun from you. You have almost none.
With a stock, the weapon can be fired from the shoulder or the hip as the situation dictates. When fired from the hip, you can use your forearm to clamp the stock into your side, creating a much more stable platform, and giving you more leverage should a wresting match for the gun happen.
PG only/folding stock have use for only limited storage, such as a boat or RV.
While I personally prefer a conventional stock, I see nothing wrong with a PG stock, and as TheWall pointed out, it may have an advantage if you need to hold the gun in one hand. Holding a conventional stock one handed is possible, but perhaps not as easy as a PG stock. Holding a PG only with one hand, while being ready to fire, is pretty difficult and clumsy at best.
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August 15th, 2011, 08:01 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: AR
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For home defense, I've been very happy with my switch to a pistol grip. Shooting full power 12ga 00 Buck or slugs from it can hurt the webbing between thumb and forefinger holding the grip, but it's a small price to pay for versatility in my opinion. I bought an ATI pistol grip with adjustable stock because it made it possible for my wife to use it more effectively as well. The long reach of the original stock made it feel akward for her to hold, so lifting the lever and shortening it at will was a nice option. Here's how it looked before:
I also like the controlled feeling it gives me when moving around tighter spaces like you would find in a house. I can control the gun better with one hand if I need to reach for a doorknob or a phone or something. I found I liked the feel of the shorter stock as well, even though it was originally just to help my wife. I suppose wrapping the grip in something with some padding would help how it feels when it's shot, I've just never bothered because I don't use it for anything othe than HD.
Here's how it sits after I swapped the stock/grip: |
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August 15th, 2011, 08:36 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: ElDorado, Arkansas
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I like It lethal.. I have the same GUNS book in the pic!!
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August 15th, 2011, 09:09 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Indiana
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I prefer the standard stock or the stock with a pistol grip attached. I do not like the pistol grip with no stock option. My history is more with rifles though, so that may be a factor. Also, I am a bigger guy, so I don't find it difficult to maneuver it around quickly.
My HD shotgun is the Mossberg 590A1 currently. I will think about the kel-Tec KSG when it gets on the street and I can look into one.
Last edited by Ulfric; August 15th, 2011 at 09:56 PM.
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August 15th, 2011, 09:54 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Wrangell Ak
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If they really shot better the comp shooters would be using them.I have yet to see one on a skeet,trap or sporting course.That said if it works for you use it but do watch for stock collapse
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August 16th, 2011, 12:01 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: S.F. Bay Area
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It is easier for an assailant to disarm you if your shotgun is equipped with a pistol gripped stock. A normal stock is the best for weapon retention.
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August 16th, 2011, 01:01 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Portland, Oregon
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I put a Choate folding stock w/pistol grip on my 20" Remington 870. I also added the pistol grip forestock.
With the stock extended it fits my frame perfectly. Might not for someone taller than me. I'm only 5'8", so somebody with a lot longer reach may feel a little cramped.
The thing shoots easily. It is easy to stay on target. I prefer the take the right hand recoil with my wrist straight (pistol grip) than wrist cocked as on a conventional rifle or shotgun stock. Whatever works best for each of us, I guess.
The pistol grip forestock rotates almost 90° in either direction, so If I want I can hold it with my left hand flat on the pistol grip (like a Sten gun). That has absolutely no practical value, except I can really crank off the shots fast if I want.
I prefer to shoot it with the stock extended and shoulder mounted like any other shotgun. Shooting it with the stock folded hasn't yielded much in the way of accuracy.
As per another comment above; I really don't intend to buttstroke anybody wth it. I figure if I let an attacker get that close when I have a shotgun, I must be doing something wrong.
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August 16th, 2011, 11:27 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Illinois
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Yeah.. Great input guys . I put on a hogue on my 870 Rem last night and i wasnt all that impressed. I think there was too much of a angle for the wrist. The tacstar brand grip kinda has a 45° angle on it. That may be better for me
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August 16th, 2011, 11:46 AM
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Join Date: May 2011 Location: Missouri
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Originally Posted by Ruger mark
Slightly shorter than the pistol gripped 500 or 590 and you can snug it to your shoulder to open doors while still keeping it pointed where you want. | Nice. How about telling us what the heck we're looking at....
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August 16th, 2011, 12:05 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: AZ
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Originally Posted by Lewis128 Nice. How about telling us what the heck we're looking at.... | They are Mossberg Bullpups introduced in 1985 I think and made until the early 90's. 10 pounds loaded helps control the kick and 28.5" OA makes it easy to carry and swing around. They are 500's (pictured) and 590's in a bullpup stock. Mossberg made kits and complete shotguns so those who had persuaders or cruisers , etc.....could swap furniture themselves. |
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March 3rd, 2012, 09:08 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: USA
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It depends upon where the safety is in relation to the trigger guard. It is easier to actuate a safety on a Mossberg with a conventional stock versus a pistol grip. The Remmington would be easy with either stock choice.
I have a Saiga 12 and FNH Police Tactical Pump that have pistol grips, whereas the Mossberg 930 SPX has conventional stock. It's what you're accustomed to shooting.
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