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Old November 29th, 2016, 03:50 PM   #1
 
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Does this look safe/normal ?

A year ago I posted about finding an ancient Winchester 20g pump with 90% of the markings wore off in our new to us house we moved into. Its been idle 5 years likely longer till today. I fired off a birdshot shells and observed the spent shell In the picture next to unspent shells. I have very little shotgun knowledge exept for the basics of mode of operation. I would like to know if the spent shell looks normal or looks abnormal. Aside from being old maybe from the late 50s early 60s and looking like it got thrown off the Grand Canyon it shot without any fanfare no abnormal noise or anything.
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Old November 29th, 2016, 04:26 PM   #2
 
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Old November 29th, 2016, 04:31 PM   #3
 
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Old November 29th, 2016, 04:36 PM   #4
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Am I the only one seeing the split case on the spent shell????
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Am I the only one seeing the split case on the spent shell????
No, you're not the only one. There is a problem with that old gun. Something is wrong in the chamber. The metal case head is split completely down the side indicating it is not supported. Good thing these were just #8 birdshot. Hopefully Iowegan sees this and can give an expert opinion. To the OP- Don't risk shooting the shotgun again without having a gunsmith check the chamber and action lock-up. That fired shell is definitely not normal by any means!
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Old November 29th, 2016, 05:18 PM   #6
 
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I wouldn't shoot the gun again until you have a gunsmith check it out. That's just my opinion but I grew up bird hunting and shooting shotguns since I could carry one, and I don't ever remember seeing a new shell(not reloaded) looking anything like that. Safety first in this situation is my 2 cents.
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Old November 29th, 2016, 05:29 PM   #7
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Not only is the brass split, but if you look very close you can see the area that the brass covers is swollen. This indicates the chamber is over size in that area and it is not safe to shoot.
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Brass ain't supposed to split like that. Are you sure its not a 12 gauge?
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Don't know how well a 20ga shell would chamber in a 12ga gun...

OP's gun maybe a 16ga?
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Are you sure it's a 20 gauge? a 16 gauge is not popular now but in the past there were many in circulation. a 20ga shell will fit loosely and fire in a 16 ga chamber. I sure wouldn't shoot it with 20 ga shells!
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Old November 29th, 2016, 08:25 PM   #11
 
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Winchester model 20. was the popular vote back when we were trying to establish make and model. shure enough by pictures on the web its a close match. Well it would have been nice but my face and eyeballs are worth more so back into the corner of the gun room.
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Are the gauge markings wore off of the barrel?

I'd probably check to see how a 16ga, or even a 12 ga, shell fit in the chamber.
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Old November 29th, 2016, 10:35 PM   #13
 
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yes the markings are toast. pictures on the web show a 20-16 ga marking on some models. ive eliminated 12g as a snap cap wont fit in mag or barrel. I will say that once the 20g shell was in chamber it appeared very snug not out of place. Im thinking the chamber is just worn. tomorrow Im gona research the serial numbers or whats left of them.
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I'd be willing to bet that shotgun is a 16 gauge not a 20.
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Winchester model 20. was the popular vote back when we were trying to establish make and model. shure enough by pictures on the web its a close match. Well it would have been nice but my face and eyeballs are worth more so back into the corner of the gun room.
I'm not an expert, but my web search showed a Winchester model 20 is a single shot, break action and not a pump. It looks more like a model 12 pump gun.
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