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Old August 29th, 2016, 10:46 AM   #1
 
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Need info on Remington 48 Sportsman shotgun

Looking to chat with anyone that is familiar with the old Remington 48 Sportsman or 11-48 . I got one that was in my Wife's late Father's estate...nice old gun...I haven't shot a shot gun for many years (this is probably about my vintage as it's an old gun...just have some general questions so either we can start a thread here or p/m me please...I won't get too involved....just some direction please...many thanks

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I own one. Unfortunately in my somewhat younger days I ruined it trying to make it look "modern". It was my grandfather's so I've held onto it even though I modified it in a way that renders it useless. What exactly are you curious about?
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I have a 20 ga 11-48 sportsman. Shoots flawlessly!!. For an old gun, it is one of my favorites.
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Opos, my younger son inherited a 12g 11-48 from his wife's grandfather and I'm keeping it for him in my safe. I decided to look it over again and see if I could find a shorter improved or modified choke barrel. The original barrel is Full and apparently was used for duck hunting. (I'm not a shot gunner). It's in fair condition, clean apparently taken care of by a Navy Bet ovine in San Diego. My go-to company is Numrich and they were sold out. One other link had nice listings, at over $300. To much for me, particularly since I can buy a used 11-48 shotgun for that.

I wanted to reconfigure the shotgun with different choke for him for bird (dove) hunting, but no luck so far.

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One of the GREAT American shotguns !!!

It's a variation of the Browning Long Recoil design and probably one of the best reasonably priced semi-auto shotguns on the market until the Beretta 300 series came around.

With the proper ammunition and a little bit care they would function like Swiss watches.

The Remington 1100 and later 11-87 was much less expensive to produce so the 11-48 was doomed. The design is actually very reliable. It is basically a simplified and improved variant of the Browning Auto-5 design.

The one real weakness of the design is its inability to tolerate neglect. If the gun is not well maintained (cleaned and lubricated occasionally) it will continue to function but it will wear with extended use. A clean, well lubricated 11-48 will run for decades without the slightest problem (a friend had one that was as tight as the day it was made and functioned perfectly 100% of the time). A neglected 11-48 doesn't fare so well.

They were made before screw in choke tubes so you usually have to live with the choke it has or spend a lot money to have screw in tubes installed. Because of the long recoil design you can't change the barrel weight much before you create problems, so don't go cutting on them !

The success of the 11-48 sowed the seeds of its own demise. The 1100 could be made with a greater profit margin and most American shooters couldn't tell the difference between a long recoil system or a gas operated system. Both guns went bang each time you pulled the trigger and most American idiots just knew that it was a semi-auto shotgun.

If you have a good 11-48, you have a great piece of American history. Shoot it, take care of it and enjoy it !!
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opos, The difference between a 11-48 and a 48 Sportsman is the magazine tube. The Sportsman has a "crimped tube" that only holds two rounds whereas the regular 11-48 will hold 4 rounds (plus one in the chamber). I picked up my old 11-48 at a gun show many years ago. I think I paid $50 for it and it is still in great condition. The code on the barrel indicates it was made in 1950. It has a vent rib 28" modified choke barrel with a 2 3/4" chamber and very nice wood. When I bought this gun, it would not cycle light dove loads .... very disappointing so I seldom used it. The older Mod 11 had a reversible gas ring for light loads but the 11-48 doesn't. I ended up buying a Rem Mod 1100 and used it for doves and quail so the old 11-48 just sits in the safe and gets a quick clean a couple times a year.
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Thanks all...the couple of questions that come to mind are: With much 12 ga ammo being steel and this being a full choke gun I've heard don't shoot steel..find some lead shot..correct? Should I just get low brass Walmart kind of ammo in about 4 or 6 shot or should I go for a high brass more powerful ammo to insure cycling? Hate to buy a box and find it's kind of "weak" for the old canon.

I also hear that the Sportsman (which this is) has, as Iowegin said a capacity of 2 rounds plus one in the chamber and the tube is dimpled or pinched...can this be easilly filed out to allow for more in the magazine and if so would the magazine spring have to be changed out? I do not plan to hunt with the gun..just some shooting now and then and keep it under the bed...I'd like to have more capacity but don't want to get into some great big process and take a chance of messing things up...

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opos, Unlike modern semi-auto shotguns, the old 11-48s were "recoil operated" .... exactly like John Browning's design with his A5. More recent shotguns are gas operated, which is a huge improvement.

I used to do a lot of dove hunting and used light 1 ounce loads, which were sold as "dove and quail" loads. My Rem 1100 would cycle them just fine but my 11-48 would not .... just not enough umph to push the barrel back. My 11-48 will cycle OK with most 1 1/8 oz loads. Back in the "old days" with paper hulls, high brass and low brass was an indicator of power but now with plastic hulls, all the brass is good for is to make extraction easier. I have some 2 3/4" Magnums with low brass.

Remington 11-48 factory literature boasted an improved system that did not require making any changes to the friction ring .... like was required with a Mod 11. BTW, I called it a gas ring in the previous post which is totally incorrect. The 11-48 is supposed to cycle virtually all 2 3/4" ammo .... but in fact it doesn't like light loads. I think you would be OK with most 2 3/4" 12 gauge loads with 1 1/8 oz of shot (or more). Avoid the 2 3/4" magnums .... they did not exist when the 11-48 was being manufactured.

I've never done it but I have been told by reliable sources that you can file off the "dimples" inside the magazine tube. This will allow the follower to move past the stop so it will hold 4 shells. You do not need to replace the magazine spring.

The old 48 Sportsman is getting scarce .... it's been out of production almost 50 years and Sportsman models only accounted for a small percent of the total. Although not real valuable like a Belgian made Browning, it is still getting scarce none the less. If it were my Sportsman, I think I would leave the magazine tube alone .... 2 or 3 shots should be enough to handle all but a gang attack .... a bit better than a double barrel. I would buy normal "field" loads for pheasants (#6 shot, 1 1/8 or 1 1/4 oz). These will cycle just fine in your 11-48 and make an excellent home defense load.

You are right .... the barrels in older shotguns were not designed for steel shot .... especially those with full chokes. You can still find 12 ga ammo with lead shot .... used for non-migratory birds. All the current duck and goose loads will be steel, bismuth, or tungsten. Bismuth is almost as soft as lead and will not damage your barrel ... expensive but a good alternative if you can't find lead shot.
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You can file or drill the dimples out. Won't need to change anything.
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Thanks guys...just what I needed...I'll probably not mess with filing out the dimples...my home defense is set up around a "safe room" and the shotgun would be fine as a 3 shot "if needed" item...I don't hunt any more and don't shoot clay so I'll just "have it" if I get the urge...my Father in Law didn't hunt that much and the gun is in really good shape...I'll do a basic tear down and cleaning (great you tubes available) and give it a nice light lube...

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Don't know much about them although one came into the LGS I help out at for repair/cleaning.
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I agree that the dimples could easily be removed but like Iowegan, I feel that it would be better to leave it in original condition. If you need more capacity get a Remington 870 and add a magazine extension.

The 11-48's I have seen and shot functioned well with most factory loads but I can also say that I think most of those loads were 1 1/8 ounce loads and not 1 ounce loads.

If you don't hunt waterfowl the steel shot restriction will not be an issue. If you decide to use the gun for waterfowl, bismuth shot will be the way to go.

I'm going to disagree slightly with Iowegan's ascertain that a gas operated shotgun is a huge improvement over a recoil operated gun. The long recoil system is one of the systems used for semi-auto shotguns (the other two are gas and inertia ) Each system has its pros and cons. The long recoil system does have some drawbacks but it does work and it can work very well. The gas operated shotguns can be a bit more forgiving, particularly with light loads, but they have their limitations as well.
I've owned, shot and worked on all three types and I will agree the long recoil type is probably the most complicated. However the long recoil system is also the oldest system and it can do exactly what it is designed to do.

The Remington 11-48 is a cool piece of American firearms history and I think you have a great gun !
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Used 11-48 shotguns for years...12, 16, 20 and .410 ga. Never had a "28" but had a friend who did! Always worked. Used an original 11-48 20" cylinder-bore for LE as well. Less than ten years ago, a coworker went thru an LE SG training course with an 11-48, firing over 500 rnds without a hitch! Recoil operated, yeah, but reliable, like the A-5 Browning. You've got a fine shotgun for sure, and it's "second" to none in my book.....and, yep, I'm old-fashioned and "dated" like the 11-48!
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Shows how old I am, but I remember one of the selling points of the 11-48 was its streamlined, more "modern" receiver, rather than the hump back off the Model 11 and the A-5 which some folks did not like. Has a used 12 gauge 11-48 with a poly choke that took down many a pheasant. Great memories.
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