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Old June 2nd, 2016, 01:17 PM   #16
 
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The only reason I have an 870 Express is because someone gave it to me because it fails to extract most of the time. It's getting better, but I would never depend upon it, for hunting or other. I am loathe to even lend it to others.

Save your money for a Wingmaster or other. I have an old Mossberg that shoots everything, every time.



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Another vote for a used Wingmaster, 1100, or Model 700 because of overall finish and many are often not used and abused. I often browse the used racks for a better deal on guns with walnut and high polish bluing as some are in great shape
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The "el-cheapo" 870 Express has a lot more MIM parts than the older 870's. The MIM parts (extractors) are breakage prone with a lot of use. Personally, I prefer machined metal parts in my guns.
Used but not abused Remington 870's are everywhere. I'd buy a good used one before any of Remington's "value priced" junk they sell these days. JMO
Having worked on a small pile of Remington 870's of all different grades, over many years; I'm very skeptical of the above statements. For starters there aren't a lot of "machined metal" parts in an 870 to begin with. The gun was initially criticized for being "that punch press gun" which was reference to all of the stamped steel parts it contains. The trigger group has always been a cast white metal housing and there are few forged and machined parts in the overall design. As a result, the gun was less expensive to produce but proved to be very durable and reliable. The Express models are simply finished to a lower standard to further reduce the cost of the gun but they are no less reliable than a finely polished and blued Wingmaster.
I wouldn't call a new 870 "value priced junk".
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The Wingmaster series are of much higher quality than the express. Worlds apart and not even comparable. Even the barrels have a different profile.

I can't think of any reason to switch from the stocks that are on it.

Save your money and buy ammo and go shoot it!
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Guess if one wants all forged parts and not stampings ya gotta go back to the Remington Model 31. I have read of rusting on the 870 Express due to bluing salts remaining. Like the high polish bluing on the Wingmaster models myself but guess a model had to be produced which consumers find affordable.
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I'm sure 870 Express models rust because of neglect but so do Wingmasters if neglected. You can't blame that on bluing salts remaining. And after 10 MILLION 870's being produced, I don't think it is a questionable design. Not everyone that buys a shotgun will tke care of it and some people are quick to blame the rusting issues on the gun rather than their own lack of diligence. That's human nature.

The design is solid and any whining about discrepancies should be taken with a grain of salt. The gun has been in near continuous use by sportsmen, police and the military longer than most people using them have been alive. The Express models are less expensive but hardly "cheap" and as for being "worlds apart" from the Wingmaster, you may wish to get two of them side by side. I'd be willing to bet over 95% of the parts between those two models will interchange. The major difference being some of the early Wingmaster receivers would only take a barrel with a 2 3/4" chamber. All of the Express models are built on the "magnum" (3" shell) receiver.
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Here's a little Wikipedia light reading on the 870:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remington_Model_870

Take note of the users and production numbers.
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I have an 870 Express I bought around '94. I've hunted with it in some gawdawful conditions and shot every type/size of shells I could find. I haven't pampered it and I've even been guilty of neglecting it a time or two. It's never failed me and the finish is as dull and rust free as it ever was. Even though it's just a 'cheap' basic shotgun I don't have a reason to replace it with anything else.
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