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Older Mini 14/ranch rifle accuracy vs M1 carbine

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Old August 17th, 2013, 05:19 AM   #1
 
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Older Mini 14/ranch rifle accuracy vs M1 carbine

I understand most of the newer mini's show somewhat better accuracy but here's something to ponder. The average older mini's (there were exceptions) got 4-5" groups at 100 yards. From what I read that is about what the m1 carbine got accuracy wise and it went thru WWII, Korea and part of the Vietnam war.
I have never compared. I wonder how the barrel thickness of the m1 carbine compares with the older mini.




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IMO what matters is can you hit what your shooting at in the field at unknown distances. Bench shooting for groups is fine, but proves nothing in the field. In this view the mini 14 is a great carbine for battle, but the m1 is a battle rifle because of the caliber. I'll take a guy with a mini 14 who shoots in the field free hand over any bench shooter with a sub moa gun into battle with me.

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One of the reasons I own a Mini 14 is due to its close heritage to the M1 platform including the carbine. Some of my earlier years were spent firing my fathers Garand and Carbine he loved those rifles, So its no wonder I love the off springs... the first Mini I owned was a 186 series it was kind of worn out and its stock had seen better days but it always went bang . I now have a 580 and a 581 series both ss one in an ATI stock the other sits in a factory syn stock I have had some work done on one and that's gives me 1 to 1 1/2 groups all day at 100, the other one is the tactical version and the first rifle I would grab if the need was there... To be honest as much as I loved my dads carbine and after recently firing a friends very nice example I still would go for my Mini first even though they haven't really been used in any battles they are very ''battle' 'ready you don't want to be on the wrong end of a Mini with a 30 rd mag
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I don't have a dog in this fight. I've never owned a Mini or a M1 Carbine.
Someday I would like a Mini14.

Some fail to realize that with a 2" group, if your group is symetrical, the farthest bullet from point of aim is 1", a 4" group, it'd be 2". That will allow hits to a pretty long range shooting at large targets. Not varmint accuracy, but probably good enough to get you home that night?
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To add further my post isn't really to pit the mini against the m1 carbine but to point out that the groups of the older mini's was about the same as the m1carbine which had been thru 3 wars. That being the case why wouldn't an old mini be a good battle rifle too.
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My best friend bought a Colt Ar/M4 and we went to shooting our guns, me with my 2 year old Mini Tactical and him with his AR. Went put 350 rounds down range and pretty much figure both will serve ya well. The Mini did just as well overall. His with a red dot and mine with sights. Our max range was 125 yards. 55gr fmjbt and 75 gr bthps.
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Lots of folks don't take the mini-14 seriously; those that don't might be those who do most of their shooting from a bench or who don't know any other way to shoot. Off hand with a sling is the way I was taught to shoot in the USMC and that type shooting is what makes for a marksman whether a sharpshooter or an expert. Bench shooting is easy though some are better than others, off-hand is a lot more difficult, especially as we age. All that said, I'd go to battle with a mini-14 instead of the m-16 if given a choice.
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I have 4 M1' carbine's, my prized all original Winchester and my Inland are the more accurate ones. I also have a Universal and a Plainfield that are not quite as accurate but will hit clay birds at 50 yards. 100 yard groups are grapefruit sized from the Inland and around baseball sized from the Winchester. I have a 1969 mini 14 and a 1972 mini 30 but both of them shoot about the same as the Inland. My more recent Mini 14 (2001) will outshoot all of the above with ease.
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According to Wikipedia the Mini 14 was designed 1967 to 1972 & produced 1973 to present. That would probably make 1969 & 1972 models collector items.
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I included the older ranch rifles in the discussion too but I don't think group wise there would have been any difference between an older pre 500 series mini or ranch rifle.
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I have 3 AR-15s and one Mini-14, Now from a bench my heavy bull barreled AR -15 that has a Timney Trigger, and other accurate advances will put 5 .223 holes in one raggedy hole all day long, however it is too heavy to carry into battle per say.

Now my Mini-14 (series 180) has had a trigger job, an over molded Hogue Synthetic stock, a muzzle brake, and an Accu-Strut added will shoot moa to 1.5 " groups at 100 yards from a bench.

My other AR-15s will shoot 1.5"-2.0" groups at 100 yards, sometime opening up to 3" groups depending on the ammo I feed it.

If going into a battle such as I did in Vietnam, I would carry my AR-15 in the M-4 version, as I'm quite confident in that firearms reliability and accuracy shooting it off hand. Needless to say we didn't have the luxury of shooting from a bench in Vietnam as a Marine, mostly in the prone position as a matter of fact, when we had the chance. The M1 Carbine is a decent weapon, however I preferred the M16 for the additional rounds we carried, and the fact that the rounds were lighter. Just my .02cents.

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The mini is very reliable carbine.
I have one listed in classified section maxed out and VERY clean
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I've owned two Mini 14's and a Mini 30 when they first came out....all three were reliable rifles and a simple strong design, but there accuracy was never what I wanted....the Mini 30 was just plain awful.....to say the least, I got rid of it within a month. I would have no problem carrying one in about any situation if that's all I had. I will still take an AR if I have my choice.
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My 1975 era mini would hold 4 inches at 100 yards on a decent day. That is fine for most uses.
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According to Wikipedia the Mini 14 was designed 1967 to 1972 & produced 1973 to present. That would probably make 1969 & 1972 models collector items.
Sorry, I messed up the production date's on my Rugers. After looking them up, my mini 30 is actually a 1975 and my mini 14 is a 1974. My Winchester & Inland M1's are certainly quite collectible though.
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