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Old November 11th, 2012, 01:14 PM   #16
 
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Lead Slanger - Depends on where and how badly they are dented. In my circumstance, the dents were at the case mouth and essentially crushed the opening by one-half of its diameter. Cases like this are trash and cannot be re-sized without risking serious safety issues.

I wish I knew how to upload pictures of what I'm talking about so that you can see what I mean.
Dang, that's pretty bad. I'll post some pictures of my emptys and show you how bad mine is denting them.



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Old November 11th, 2012, 01:32 PM   #17
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Lead Slanger - Depends on where and how badly they are dented. In my circumstance, the dents were at the case mouth and essentially crushed the opening by one-half of its diameter. Cases like this are trash and cannot be re-sized without risking serious safety issues.

I wish I knew how to upload pictures of what I'm talking about so that you can see what I mean.
Unless its making sharp crease in dent what's the saftey issue?
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Unless its making sharp crease in dent what's the saftey issue?
Read your reloading manual and it should tell you all about the special precautions that need to be taken with annealed cases. I'm not doing your research for you.
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Read your reloading manual and it should tell you all about the special precautions that need to be taken with annealed cases. I'm not doing your research for you.
LOL ok. I guess I'm one of the guys that reload them if dent isn't to bad been doing it for a long time. I was just wondering what your thoughts were. Thanks
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Read your reloading manual and it should tell you all about the special precautions that need to be taken with annealed cases. I'm not doing your research for you.
You really don't understand do you.
Don't know what you did around aircraft but, you might wiki the terms work hardening and annealing. You might look up the term lawyer talk to.
Not a real difficult metallurgical terms to get a grasp of.
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LOL ok. I guess I'm one of the guys that reload them if dent isn't to bad been doing it for a long time. I was just wondering what your thoughts were. Thanks
5.56mm/.223 cases are annealed (heated and hardened) in the neck and throat area. In my situation over half if the case mouth opening was dented in. A sizer die would never have fit in the half-moon shaped opening. I would have had to bend the opening back into shape with pliers or some other tool then try to re-size them. Working the brass in this way risks the possibility of minute cracks that could cause cases to split when fired.

I may be overly cautious, but that's just me.
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You really don't understand do you.
Don't know what you did around aircraft but, you might wiki the terms work hardening and annealing. You might look up the term lawyer talk to.
Not a real difficult metallurgical terms to get a grasp of.
Excuse me for ignoring you...but you just insist on being obnoxious.
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5.56mm/.223 cases are annealed (heated and hardened) in the neck and throat area. In my situation over half if the case mouth opening was dented in. A sizer die would never have fit in the half-moon shaped opening. I would have had to bend the opening back into shape with pliers or some other tool then try to re-size them. Working the brass in this way risks the possibility of minute cracks that could cause cases to split when fired.

I may be overly cautious, but that's just me.
You need to take my suggestion(wiki)(obviously you weren't a structures mech), annealing softens the metal makes it more ductile, which you may find is opposite of hardening. Annealing actually allows the case to better form and seal to the chamber when the round is fired and less likely to crack. All cases are annealed at some point in manufacture.
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You need to take my suggestion(wiki)(obviously you weren't a structures mech), annealing softens the metal makes it more ductile, which you may find is opposite of hardening. Annealing actually allows the case to better form and seal to the chamber when the round is fired and less likely to crack. All cases are annealed at some point in manufacture.
It the resizing of the brass over&over that causes brass to weaken.
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It the resizing of the brass over&over that causes brass to weaken.
You are correct,sir! expanding during firing then sizing will "work harden" the brass, you can cure that by annealing your cases from time to time which relieves the work hardening.(if done correctly)
see post 21 i.e."work hardening"
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You are correct,sir! expanding during firing then sizing will "work harden" the brass, you can cure that by annealing your cases from time to time which relieves the work hardening.(if done correctly)
see post 21 i.e."work hardening"
Yes I know & I do if correctly?
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Yes I know & I do if correctly?
The reason I said correctly, there is a how to on youtube and the guys quick quenches his cases after getting them red hot. That will harden the cases not anneal them. The quicker you quench most materials the more brittleness you risk adding. That obviously is not what you want in brass.
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The reason I said correctly, there is a how to on youtube and the guys quick quenches his cases after getting them red hot. That will harden the cases not anneal them. The quicker you quench most materials the more brittleness you risk adding. That obviously is not what you want in brass.
LOL I haven't seen that. Sounds like he needs to learn about temper
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Thank you Sr40ken. Being a veteran of the 25th Infantry Division at Cu Chi would apparently not qualify me as a member of an elite in some circles, and I am very grateful for your kind remark today.

If I appeared to waste my time in someone's determination, I'll waste just a bit more.

I have had the distinct pleasure of knowing quite a number of people in the gun business, from the store owners all the way to the folks on the factory floor, and I've been a member of the NRA since the 60s. I've been defending gun owners' rights at all times and in all places. Some of those places I was foe, not friend. I had the pleasure of being taught how to make guns from bins full of parts and how to trouble shoot and tune them up by wonderful, caring factory workers and management staff at S&W, Ruger and Remington. To a person, they all love their work. They are not the inconsiderate slobs that was intoned in that complaint. They take a great deal of personal pride in the work their hands produce, and their sincere interest is in making owners of their products very happy. It has been my experience that a poison pen is typically consistent with a sharp tongue. One can only wonder how patient a man is on a phone line when his patience runs thin over dented brass cases, and how that might have become less than pleasant for the Ruger employee. I know these people at customer service from my personal experience over many years, and they could not be more accommodating. If a button got pushed, it was not a Ruger employee who did the pushing.

Of all the people I met in the trade, none were more dedicated than the Ruger people at Newport, NH. They are sincerely interested in providing great working guns to Americans and take tremendous personal pride in making firearms that are second to none.

My anger is directed in their defense, because I take great umbrage in their behalf that someone who purchases a firearm from a fellow American is to glib to pronounce that he has judged their company unworthy of his business anymore for such a petty and trivial complaint as a dented brass case. Whether it's avoidable or not, and whether some guns spew dented brass while others do not is a moot issue.

We have a nation in fiscal crisis right now with people out of work, and Second Amendment rights are being attacked on all sides. There are people out there who monitor these sites who are not our friends and who would love to take any claims from within our ranks that show disfavor with American arms manufacturers and run them up over to someone at ABC to put in a shoe box for later use. Remington has been going through that litigation for years with a trigger issue that is a non issue by all accounts. Due to attacks by litigious minded folks, and saber rattling by people who are looking to besmirch a gun manufacturer, the cost of guns has soared in order to retain corporate litigation attorneys to protect their interests. More than that, complaints of this sort, coupled with the I'll-never-do-business-with-those-guys rants on public sites like this is a direct attack on a business that is keeping guns flowing to Americans. When you attack the company, you attack the lady on the floor who has three kids to feed. Let us please not forget that they are members of these circles and read these comments too.

For any of them on line, I apologize in his behalf. His comments do not reflect most Ruger owners, who are quite happy with the work you do so skillfully and conscientiously.

I've had my share of dented brass in my life from guns of all sorts, and know many other semi-auto owners who have had the same experience. I've known guys to take a gentle file to an offending corner. I've seen guys put a piece of electrical tape under their scope. I've sorted through brass and culled the culls, as it were, and toss them into the club scrap brass bucket. But I've never seen anyone get a boo-boo face over it and lash out at a gun maker for allowing such a terrible thing to befall him or her as denty brassy. ohh! That's such an awful thing! Something must be done! Mr. Garand must have a family we can go after for allowing such an absurd and wicked thing!

Army guys aren't prone to being sensitive about dents in our brass. It goes well with the dents in our helmets.

And don't you worry your bitty head about how much time I waste. I type as fast as I shoot, and will come to the aid of any American gun manufacturer under attack.
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If I would have known that my original post - which was intended to help those who have identical dented case problems - would elicit all of this venom, controversy and personal criticism, then I would not have posted it.
If your intentions were of a helpful nature why not simply say. "If you are having issues with dented brass as I was here is the path I took to solve the issue with my rifle".

Instead you ranted about Ruger not fixing your rifle and stated you were not going to do further business with them.
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