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Old September 5th, 2011, 01:05 PM   #1
 
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Ruger "Black Carbines" PC4, PC9

Recently on another forum I asked about the overall dependability of their little pistol caliber carbines (a discontinued model). There were several members there in other threads who mentioned that they had one as a SHTF rifle. So anyway, I was pretty surprised when not a single member was able to come forward and say that "Yes, the **** carbine has proven itself to be a durable and dependable weapon". Somewhat surprising since so many had stated that it was the weapon they would be relying on under the most dire of circumstances. So I'm asking the same question here. I have had nothing but absolute faith in any Ruger firearm I've ever owned and I would like to know if that same reliability can be found in the carbines. I realize that they are no longer produced which doesn't really bother me as long as the guns themselves have proven to be robust and reliable. If there are any problems what might they be and are there any upgrades or alterations that have fixed it? My preferrance would be the 9mm just because it's cheaper to shoot and as a smaller round would be quieter and more suitable as a plinker. I'm looking for a rifle that can be used if the SHTF but also enjoyable to just go out and shoot. I live somewhat in the country but blasting away in the woods with big bore, high powered rifles is frowned upon.



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the PCs were produced for the LE and civilian market and i am ignorant of any military trials with them. if you want a gun with a proven combat record get an AR. if you want one that will shoot during a russian winter pick an AK. my PC9 does what i bought it for and if i need a bigger gun i have them. think your lack of documentation is because your everyday Joe resolves his SHTF without firing a shot.
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I'm not necessarily searching for a combat rifle. All I'm looking for is an honest answer as to whether PC owners have found them to be reliable firearms or if they've had problems with them. Seems like it would be an easy question to answer but apparantly not.
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My PC4 has eaten everything I've given it. Its reliable to me. They're just not that easy to "field strip" to clean and reassembly can be tricky. Sound familar? Anyway, they would do in a pinch if you had no other long arms available, but I would grab an AR or an AK as a SHTF gun. My $.02.
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I'm not necessarily searching for a combat rifle. All I'm looking for is an honest answer as to whether PC owners have found them to be reliable firearms or if they've had problems with them. Seems like it would be an easy question to answer but apparantly not.
Ruger only produced around 20K of the 9s, fewer of the 40s.

That's not a huge sampling, and finding owners who are active on forums may take a while. I expect some more will drift by eventually.
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Th shtf rifle will depend on your situation, rural, suburban 2 legged defense or 2 legged defense and hunting or defending against 4 legged problems. I owned a pc in9 nad 40 and both went over 800 rounds between clesnings with no problem. Recoil was higher than other 9 carbines but nothing bothersome.
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The pc9's aren't easy to find. I have seen one locally and was slow on the draw so missed it. The marlin camp carbines are easier to find, but get expensive, the nines use S&W mags, the 45 uses 1911 mags.
Stupid hi-points got me all fired up for 9mm carbines.....so I recently ordered an upper for an AR (cmmg). Quality 9mm is still as cheap or cheaper than low quality 223, and is easier to carry and stock up. Great for a step up from 22 for wives and kids too. I like my little hi-point, don't get me wrong, but the idea of using it for home defense when something better is available doesn't add up for me. Wifey can handle a 20 guage, but I want her to get range time and familiarize well with what she will be using in the home, I know she enjoys the hi-point so a 9 carbine is a good fit.
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Thumbs up I have 2 of them

i have a pc9 and a pc4....My pc9 was a police dept rifle...pretty beat up when i bought it i had to replace all the magazines, and clean the fouling out of it's action, very dirty, I have shot one thousand rounds through it with no problems yet. The pc4 was mint ...probably has 200 rounds through it so cannot comment on reliability yet.
these are heavy little rifles, they do recoil more than you'd think because of the blowback design and a really heavy bolt and recoil spring. Parts are hard to find should you need them, but hopefully you won't need them....I've never heard one bad comment on this forum about them being bad rifles. I think if you can find one for less than 500 dollars it's worth the gamble....they are fun range guns and i would use mine to defend my family if i had to....
BTW there is a pc4 for sale on gunsamerica.com for 499 this week .take a look
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Have had my pc 9 since January only put about 100 rounds threw it with no problems the guy I got it from took really good care of it. I like the fact I can use the same mags as my p95 but my p95 isn't my first choice in a 9mm I like my sr9c alot better but if the shtf and I only could choose only a minimum number of guns from my safe I would have no problem in taking both of them and putting the sr9c on my wife.
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Mine was reliable enough when I had it. I bought it for the same reason (SHTF) as I had Ruger P-series handguns in 9mm at the time and the mag sharing was a nice feature. I've since sold/traded the PC9 away along with my other P-series 9mm guns. The only thing that would make mine choke was an aftermarket magazine. It shot the factory mags just fine, but the aftermarket ones choked it. Granted they were not quality aftermarket mags. They were a mix of Promag/USA mag/TripleK/etc. But they would run fine in the handgun and jam every 3rd or 4th round in the carbine.

Other than mag sensitivity I had no complaints. Kinda wish I had it back sometimes, but what I really wish now is that Ruger would re-release it compatible with the SR series 9mm mags. Are you listening Ruger????
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Just got a PC9....should have it out in the next day or two....i temporarily threw a little simmons 4x on it that i had laying around...eventually it will probably wear a red dot or a 1.5-4...but the simmons will do for the mean time.....keep you all posted.
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A quick question ....to you guys that already own or have owned one(PC9) what bullet weights do they like...i figured for plinking and small game the 115 grns are going to give better results at longer ranges.
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i purchased a PC9 somewhere around 10-12 years ago. it has run flawlessly over the years!

i would not part with mine.

IMHO, the 9mm carbine will suffice in nearly any SHTF situation short of a full scale, head on military assault.

I've cycled lead RN and FMJ (My preferred load) with NO FTF or FTE problems.

i have NOT tested it for PRECISION accuracy, though.

i currently have a Vortex red/green dot sight on it.
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The more i handle my new PC9 the more i like it ....should get some range time in the next couple of days...going to try some sellior and bellot 115 grn fmj and some American eagle 115 grn fmj...as i earlier stated in the intrim just topped it off with a little 4x Simmons...probably will go to a red dot but this will be ok to see what it can do....i will sight in at around 50-75 yds.
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