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Old April 23rd, 2011, 02:07 PM   #1
 
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Mini 14 magazine problem

Guys what is your best guess on this? I have a 2 five round magazines that seat properly, but my 10 round magazine wont seat unless the bolt is open. If I put 9 rounds in the magazine it seats properly with the bolt closed. Rifle is almost new , it has fired less than 200 rounds and the magazines were all bought from Ruger. In the past the 10 round magazine seated properly why the change? What should I be looking to do . Thanks



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Old April 23rd, 2011, 02:27 PM   #2
 
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i had a problem like that with either my mini or my AR, i can't remember which. turned out i was loading 21 rounds in a 20 round mag and didn't realize it. i didn't ever think about it, i assumed that the mag would only hold 20, but it didn't. make sure you're not putting 11 rounds in a 10 round mag. my $.02
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thanks I made sure that it had ten, it will seat 2 out ten times
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Guys what is your best guess on this? I have a 2 five round magazines that seat properly, but my 10 round magazine wont seat unless the bolt is open. If I put 9 rounds in the magazine it seats properly with the bolt closed. Rifle is almost new , it has fired less than 200 rounds and the magazines were all bought from Ruger.
I have the same problem with my Promag 10 rounder.
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Magazine catch tab difference between 5rd/20rd & 10rd magazines

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Guys what is your best guess on this? I have a 2 five round magazines that seat properly, but my 10 round magazine wont seat unless the bolt is open. If I put 9 rounds in the magazine it seats properly with the bolt closed. Rifle is almost new , it has fired less than 200 rounds and the magazines were all bought from Ruger. In the past the 10 round magazine seated properly why the change? What should I be looking to do . Thanks
I had the same problem. Just received a Ruger factory-made 10rd magazine for my Mini-14. I cannot seat the magazine easily, if at all. I don't have this problem with my 5rd and 20rd magazines, both of which are as old as my "series 182" Mini-14, which I bought brand new in JUL 1981.

I noticed that the magazine catch tabs on on my 30 year old 5rd/20rd magazines are integral and also protrude farther out, than the catch tab on the "new" 10rd magazine, whose catch tab is flat, and appears to be a separate, spot-welded piece.

Don't know if Ruger's newer 5rd/20rd magazines also have a flat catch tab, but the catch tab on the new 10rd mag appears to be the cause of seating failure in the magazine well.

Maybe I should look for a 30 year old 10rd magazine (Were any ever made that long ago? When I bought my Mini-14, only the 5rd and 20rd mag's were available.) Perhaps an older 10rd mag would work. As is, I'm returning the new 10rd mag to the retailer.

I tried to upload photos with this post, but to no success. So I've provided a link of close-up photos highlighting the difference between the olds mags versus the new.

Trumpet Call: Ruger Mini-14 magazines
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Guys what is your best guess on this? I have a 2 five round magazines that seat properly, but my 10 round magazine wont seat unless the bolt is open. If I put 9 rounds in the magazine it seats properly with the bolt closed. Rifle is almost new , it has fired less than 200 rounds and the magazines were all bought from Ruger. In the past the 10 round magazine seated properly why the change? What should I be looking to do . Thanks
Could be designed to hold 9 in the magazine and 1 in the chamber maybe due to restrictions in NY it can't have 10+1? Just looking at it from another view. In all actuality it should hold 10 and 1 in the chamber. Never seen that problem before, but I do know antigun states have weird rules that I can't keep up with! You might have to just shoot it a bit to ware in the spring so it doesn't have as much tension on it. That works in alot of firearms. Leave the magazine loaded for a week or two, or so and try it then.
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I just picked up my Mini 14 ranch yesterday. I noticed the same thing. A full 5 round magazine will seat fine, but a full 10 round magazine will not seat at all. It will load with 9, but even then it gives me trouble about 2 out of 10 times.

Is this normal? Does it get better after use (mini 14 and mags are brand new and have never been used)?

Just wondering what others do about this. Is loading 9 the long term answer?

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thewoo1, It's not a magazine problem nor is it a problem with the gun itself ... rather a design thing. It helps if you read the manual ...

The proper procedure for loading any semi-auto rifle or pistol with a detachable magazine is to start with the bolt or slide locked open (to the rear). Insert a fresh magazine then release the slide or bolt to charge the weapon.

When the bolt (or slide) is forward, it occupies space and pushes the cartridges down further into the magazine. With 5-rounders, there's enough extra space in the magazine to compensate for the bolt, however with a 10-rounder, the cartridges "bottom out" in the magazine and won't let the magazine fully seat when the bolt is forward. This design was done on purpose to limit "full capacity" to 10 rounds, which is a legal requirement in some states. In other words, you can't cram 11 rounds in a 10 round gun.
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Thumbs up exactly what he said!

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thewoo1, it's not a magazine problem nor is it a problem with the gun itself ... Rather a design thing. It helps if you read the manual ...

The proper procedure for loading any semi-auto rifle or pistol with a detachable magazine is to start with the bolt or slide locked open (to the rear). Insert a fresh magazine then release the slide or bolt to charge the weapon.

When the bolt (or slide) is forward, it occupies space and pushes the cartridges down further into the magazine. With 5-rounders, there's enough extra space in the magazine to compensate for the bolt, however with a 10-rounder, the cartridges "bottom out" in the magazine and won't let the magazine fully seat when the bolt is forward. This design was done on purpose to limit "full capacity" to 10 rounds, which is a legal requirement in some states. In other words, you can't cram 11 rounds in a 10 round gun.
i agree thats how i load mine...with slide locked open.
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. It helps if you read the manual ...
You are right. I tried loading the 10 round magazine with the bolt open. It works just fine. Thanks for pointing out what should have been obvious.

PS...this is an old thread but since I had the same problem and didn't see any clear solution, I figured I would resurrect it.
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I bought a slightly used Mini 14 ranch and used it for the first times these past 2 weeks. I have both Original Ruger 5 rd'ers and Pro Mag 10rd'ers. The 5 RD'ers work fine, the Pro mags jam every clip. Using both 556 or 223, doesn't matter, same result! But, that is not the extent of my issues. I am finding the cartridges 3 out of 10 times fail to eject out of the chamber. I have a scope but there are no marks on the scope to indicate the shells are hitting the scope? I'm convinced the Pro mags don't work properly though I will try loading 9 vs 10 as some have said here next time. I have a ruger 10/22 also and have had zero issues at all with it except using Federal lead nose rds , they jam constantly. CCI when I can find them work perfectly!
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That my friends is one reason why you should allways load your magazines 1 round below maximum. Way back in Nam our Platoon leader allways told us to load all our additional rounds to 19, only even though they were 20 round mags.
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I purchased 2 10 round Rugers when they became available because they are (were) "the best". 2 major issues
First... could not load the first round in either mag. had to hold the follower down with my pinky a little to get the first one in. then they loaded no problem.
Second...manually cycled rounds through and follower did a nose dive and FTF. 2X with one mag but not the other. sent both to factory, they agreed on the loading problem but said it met spec because they fired fine.
Sent them back to shopruger for refund. I think they were just making them too fast. I wish the 5 round factory also made the 10 round. 5 round is ruger 10 round is someone else I was told.

10 round ProMag nickel works well. 10 rounds had trouble stripping the first round and scratched the shell. polished under the catch lips with med then fine emery cloth to smooth edges. works great now. take it apart before to clean it after.

My manual (582) says bolt either way open or closed should work factory says open. odd number of shells loads easier with bolt closed. bolt is not symmetrical and 1 side hits top shell when even number. less shells also easier with bolt closed.
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thewoo1, It's not a magazine problem nor is it a problem with the gun itself ... rather a design thing. It helps if you read the manual ...

The proper procedure for loading any semi-auto rifle or pistol with a detachable magazine is to start with the bolt or slide locked open (to the rear). Insert a fresh magazine then release the slide or bolt to charge the weapon.

...... This design was done on purpose to limit "full capacity" to 10 rounds, which is a legal requirement in some states. In other words, you can't cram 11 rounds in a 10 round gun.
That's what *I* thought. Noticed that at the range two weeks ago -- my 10 round magazines want the bolt open to seat properly. No big deal; that's how you reload a fresh magazine anyway.
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thewoo1, It's not a magazine problem nor is it a problem with the gun itself ... rather a design thing. It helps if you read the manual ...

The proper procedure for loading any semi-auto rifle or pistol with a detachable magazine is to start with the bolt or slide locked open (to the rear). Insert a fresh magazine then release the slide or bolt to charge the weapon.

When the bolt (or slide) is forward, it occupies space and pushes the cartridges down further into the magazine. With 5-rounders, there's enough extra space in the magazine to compensate for the bolt, however with a 10-rounder, the cartridges "bottom out" in the magazine and won't let the magazine fully seat when the bolt is forward. This design was done on purpose to limit "full capacity" to 10 rounds, which is a legal requirement in some states. In other words, you can't cram 11 rounds in a 10 round gun.
I agree, start with the bolt open.
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