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Old April 27th, 2017, 08:05 AM   #1
 
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Mini 14 optics/mount questions.

I recently purchased myself a Mini 14. I would like to mount a red dot sight on the rifle. I was curious about what mounting solutions others have had success with. I have about a $300 budget for the optic, not including the rail or mount itself. I am currently considering products from GG&G. Should I simply use the rail included with the rifle from Ruger? What optic would you all recommend? Thanks in advance!



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Old April 27th, 2017, 10:20 AM   #2
 
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I initially got a GG&G rail to mount a red dot on my Mini 14. I switched to the stock Ruger rail, as it allows me to remove the handguard with it installed and provides better access to the bolt and chamber. It also has a 'channel' that allows the use of the stock iron sights when the optic is removed. I have a tube-style sight, so being close to my eye is a benefit. A reflex-style sight usually does better mounted more forward.
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Old April 27th, 2017, 10:24 AM   #3
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ny, first, welcome to the forum from Central Virginia!

I just run a TRS-25 on the Ruger-supplied rail. Works for me, but it is the poor-man's solution.

Another member - sandog - runs an UltiMak scout rail and a Burris FastFire III and is very pleased with it. He may pipe in. He knows his stuff.

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try brownells I think they offer some mounts. Welcome and enjoy.
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I have an older 185 series Mini 14. No factory rail or even drilled and tapped holes to mount one. Sure there are a few mounts to fit it, but none looked too sturdy. Then I found the Amega rail, which fit my rifle perfectly and provides a good sold mount for a red dot.
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RJF's suggestion about Sandog's solution is spot on.

While I don't run optics myself, I've shot Sandog's Mini-30 with the UltimaK and TRS 25 and it's THE solution if you want it low and compact. As you can see from his picture, his TRS is low to the barrel and therefore you still have good cheekweld when sighting. In addition, it's in front of the receiver so it's not in the way of ejected brass. Also note that he has the TRS in a mount with guards on the side to protect it.

While it raises the red dot up a bit, I think it's good insurance against damage. And, should you want to use the irons, a quick remove of the mount and the rail isn't blocking the standard irons.


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What Steve meant to say is Burris FF-III, not TRS-25.
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What Steve meant to say is Burris FF-III, not TRS-25.
Yep, good catch.
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Steve, a service I am happy to provide! I knew what you meant...
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Howdy NY. COSteve has it dialed in. Stick with the Reflex style "red dot" he has in his pic above. I have a Vortex razor mounted to an ATI Strikeforce stock. I know, a bit above your budget, but sometimes waiting and saving for the right parts is cheaper than buying something you will want to soon replace. I have no idea what you are using your M14 for, but I really love my set up for compactness, weight and trasnport. Good luck!
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Actually, that picture above is of Sandog's Mini-30, not mine. My 583 Series Mini-14 Ranch Rifle is an 'irons only' shooter that I patterned after my M1A.



Instead of a red dot, I opted for a TechSight Mini200 Rear Sight with 'NM' like target aperture:



and I also filed down my front sight from a .077" wide blade to a .050" wide blade:



With the other accuracy options I performed on it (shimmed receiver, trigger job, reduced gas bushing, squared and torqued gas block, Wilson Buffers, Accu-Strut and Choate HG [for reduced heating], and 1" shortened buttstock [to give 14" heel to aperture distance like on my M1 Garands, M1 Carbines, and M1A], and my handloaded 62grn ammo) my Mini can produce 1" groups at 100 yds (with one of our younger, better eyesighted, CMP shooters). Me, I use it to shoot bowling pins at 200 yds and I think it looks kinda sexy too.
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ny, if you haven't run a red dot before, try before you buy. Some with astigmatism have problems with them. For me - without my glasses, the red dot is a giant blur. Of course, my glasses are for distance, so I wouldn't be shooting without them. But with a scope, I'm better off without my glasses.

Add to that I'm left handed but right-eye dominant, and I'm just all screwed up. "Both eyes open" is not an option for me.

Field of view for the TRS-25 I run is great, but it will vary depending on eye relief. As with all red dots, daylight conditions can affect things. Shooting in bright daylight with a setting sun will often cause you to "dial up" the brightness of the dot, which also increases the MOA. A 2 MOA gun with a red dot setting bright enough for a 7 MOA doesn't do much good for semi-precision shooting.

My nephew has a pretty-high-end dot (~$800?) on his Sig piston-driven AR and it is very nice. No batteries, has some tritium and other magic built into the system (always on), and instead of a dot, it has an orange pyramid. Wonderfully easy to acquire and - to me - far more precise than a dot, and certainly easier to find. Don't know which brand, but probably EOTech. He wanted an ACOG, but even he couldn't justify the coin (and that's saying something!). He's infantry with several deployments to Afg and Iraq, so I trust his judgment.

But I'm cheap because all I do is plink at 50-100 yards and HD, so the TRS-25 works for me - batteries and all. It is a fine dot, but certainly not the best. Wish I could find some flip-up covers for it...
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Thank you all for your input. I have been researching a few different options, which has left me with even more questions. I want to be sure whatever optic and mount I use will still allow for me to maintain a solid cheek weld on the rifle. I was also considering having a trigger job performed, and adding a barrel stabilizing device such as the mo rod or accuracy systems model. I. At also pickup a hogue or choate brand aftermarket stock so that my original wood stock will stay in decent shape.
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nyenthusiast, the best cheek weld will be with the Ultimak rail, but it will set you back $140. Additional benefits ( besides being the very best place to mount a dot or scope ) of the Ultimak are helping to further stiffen your barrel, and pulling some more heat out of your barrel. And no, the Ultimak doesn't get hot during extended firing, barely warm maybe.
Any mount placed right over the action, like the supplied Ruger rail, the GG&G, etc., must necessarily have the scope or dot higher to clear ejecting brass, to take the bolt out for cleaning, or to clear a jam.
As far as a strut, many of us here like to give business to the originator of the Mini strut,Kevin of Accustrut. He makes the best strut out there, best looking and he uses clamps that aren't huge like others that are just copies of his invention.
A strut is a must on older pencil barrel Mini's, not so necessary on newer tapered barrel ones.
Just pony up and get the Ultimak, you'll be glad down the road. After buying the Ultimak, you'll have enough left over to buy a Bushnell TRS-25 dot, and have $70 left over (for batteries! ).
I haven't used them ( just their scopes) but you could check out the Vortex line of small dots, I have heard good things about them.
I really like the Burris FastFire, tiny, featherlight, tough, and better battery life than cheaper dots. I have had mine for 2 1/2 years now, and still using the original battery.
But I only turn it on once a month or so for a few hours. Many of the cheaper dots seem to drain the battery even if not turned on. A friend has a cheapo dot on a surpressed Marlin .45 Camp Carbine. If he doesn't take the battery out every time after a shooting session, it will be dead for sure. With all the new batteries he's put in over the years I've known him, he could have used that money to buy a quality red dot.


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After reading through everyone's extremely helpfull comments here I've compiled a shopping list.

1.Ultimak rail.

2.Accustrut in stainless, so that it will match the rifle properly.

3. Red dot (either vortex sparc 2 or primary arms advanced micro dot) Do I need a riser or certain height mount for this?

4. magazines/sling? I'm planning on running the rifle in a local steel plate match soon.

5. Hogue overmold stock.

Am I missing anything?
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