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Old February 27th, 2017, 05:46 PM   #1
 
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Why buy an AR with front sight base / gas block?

This question was posted on another forum, but curious to see what the response is here...

Why purchase a Ruger AR-556 when you really want an AR with a low profile gas block and a free floated barrel. Why not purchase something in a configuration closer to how you want it?

The Ruger typically runs a little higher than other entry level ARs, so why buy it just to remove the machined gas block / front sight and the screw on delta ring... these are supposed to be selling points of the rifle!



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My answer..........there is no reason, unless you just MUST have Ruger engraved on the receiver. That's not something that matters to me. You want lower cost with low profile block and free float, buy a DPMS Tactical Recon or similar. Will save you money in the end. Or if you know you want optics and want to pick your own guard, the DPMS Oracle comes with low block, no sights for $599. There is about whatever someone could possibly want in the AR market ready to buy. Now if you are one that just HAS to have a Ruger.............well, do what you gotta do.

When I bought my first AR, I didn't KNOW what I wanted, so I bought an M&P Sport and a Ruger. I preferred the M&P and sold the Ruger. After shooting it and deciding what I liked and didn't, I made some mods, but as stated, was the first AR I ever owned or even shot. Now I know what I like and would buy accordingly or build if I do another

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Why buy an AR with front sight base / gas block?

I think many of those that buy the 556 or S&W sport as entry level rifles don't know a lot about the platform or have no intention on modifying it beyond optics. After while, however, they might talk to friends or catch a YouTube video of possible configurations that are conducive to (pick your topic). This is when most get down the rabbit hole of accessories and accumulate a box full of parts.

I also think many shooters believe they can buy more accuracy without more practice. It's not the rifle. It's the man behind it.

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True, if you must have Ruger on the rollmark, your choices are limited... I see folks do the same thing with the M&P 15 Sport. They buy it because of price and the first question they ask is how to get rid of the front sight, before they even fire a shot out of it! With the number of rifles available in different configs, it seems like it would make more sense to buy what you wanted in the first place vs. buying an AR-556 or Sport and then changing it to match what you really wanted.
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My answer..........there is no reason, unless you just MUST have Ruger engraved on the receiver. That's not something that matters to me. You want lower cost with low profile block and free float, buy a DPMS Tactical Recon or similar. Will save you money in the end. Or if you know you want optics and want to pick your own guard, the DPMS Oracle comes with low block, no sights for $599. There is about whatever someone could possibly want in the AR market ready to buy. Now if you are one that just HAS to have a Ruger.............well, do what you gotta do.



When I bought my first AR, I didn't KNOW what I wanted, so I bought an M&P Sport and a Ruger. I preferred the M&P and sold the Ruger. After shooting it and deciding what I liked and didn't, I made some mods, but as stated, was the first AR I ever owned or even shot. Now I know what I like and would buy accordingly or build if I do another


Well I recently got two Ruger lowers NIB (about $100 each). They say Ruger AR-556 on them. I will build them how I would want them. I may be a tad over $599 when done, but it will be with what I want in it, free float barrel etc.
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Of the two ARs I have one has a FSB and one doesn't but I bought both of them that way on purpose. I had no intention of putting any glass on the one with a FSB. It's a carbine and I wanted it as an iron sight rifle. The other one I intentionally bought as a flattop because I knew I was going to scope it. The iron sighted AR is a 223 carbine and the scoped one is a 308 rifle.

I rarely buy guns that need modification to meet my needs. If it isn't awfully close to what I'm looking for I move on to something that is. Unfortunately I was having difficulty finding ARs spec'd like I wanted them. I detest adjustable stocks. They rattle and they don't have a long enough LOP for me. I'm not in combat, I don't wear body armor and I don't use a squared up assault shooting style. I shoot my AR's old school using a traditional bladed rifleman position. I wasn't having any luck finding an AR carbine with an A2 stock so I bought a Colt and replaced the adjustable stock with an A2 fixed stock. Same with my M&P10. Hardly anybody sells an AR these days with an A2 stock already installed. If they did I would have bought them instead. There are a few out there but I either didn't like the brand, cost or they weren't available. That was the only mod I've made to either gun.
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same here I like 20 inch barrels and an a2 type stock I had to order one.
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There really isn't a reason. Most people I know who get into the AR market buy the weapon bone stock to get used to the configuration. Guns like our AR556 or the S&W M&P Sport II, etc. Once they are comfortable with it and the realize it is truly the "Grown Man's Barbie Doll," that is when you see the modifications like free floating and other things emerging that you would get if you dished out $1000+ for a gun.
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I agree with all above.Buy it if you like it that way.Want mods,start with an ar without front sight.Buyers market right now and probably for a couple years to come.You can buy 2 for the price of almost 1.
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I agree with all above.Buy it if you like it that way.Want mods,start with an ar without front sight.Buyers market right now and probably for a couple years to come.You can buy 2 for the price of almost 1.
Yep, that's my thought... If you are going to go low profile gas block, free float rail, Magpul, BCM, or some other upgraded stock and pistol grip, then don't start with a Sport or AR-556. Start with an OEM rifle that comes with a low profile gas block and no furniture to start with. It would be cheaper in the long run.
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Yep, that's my thought... If you are going to go low profile gas block, free float rail, Magpul, BCM, or some other upgraded stock and pistol grip, then don't start with a Sport or AR-556. Start with an OEM rifle that comes with a low profile gas block and no furniture to start with. It would be cheaper in the long run.
I like my Ruger for what that's worth . I hear good things about Aero Precision over at ar15 forum for entry level . They also seem to like S&W over there . I don't think you can go wrong with any of these choices and I'm sure there are plenty more .
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I like my Ruger for what that's worth . I hear good things about Aero Precision over at ar15 forum for entry level . They also seem to like S&W over there . I don't think you can go wrong with any of these choices and I'm sure there are plenty more .
Please don't take this as a negative against the Ruger... or the Sport... I just see so many folks buy these guns, based on price probably, and their first question is "how do I remove the gas block?", sometimes before even shooting it.

Changing drop in hand guards an stocks I get... like changing out the wheels on a car to dress it up. But changing out the gas block to free float... that's like having the dealer add AC when it could have been ordered from the factory.
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Now when I bought my first AR, I KNEW I would scope it, because I scope everything........but I did NOT know what I would prefer in a guard or anything else, because I had never owned or shot an AR. For those reasons I bought an entry level rifle, the Sport and a Ruger. As mentioned, I sold the Ruger, because I didn't like the threaded delta ring and since I don't plan on going to battle, I didn't see the need for forward assist and a dust cover. When I did decide to modify, I knew I wanted a light, full length free float hand guard and a better trigger. I hate junk triggers on anything. On the gas block, I just made my own. Took the factory gas block/sight off and made it into a low profile block. All it takes is a hacksaw, a sander and about 15 minutes. I already had a scope I took in on trade, so all I had to do was pick a guard, buy a scope mount and a trigger. So I ended up with the AR I want pretty cheaply, even though I started with a base model and changed it. I will likely change stock eventually, put a BAD lever on it and maybe a couple other things, but am pretty happy with it now.

Now having done all this, would I buy another entry level rifle?.......NO, but the base model is still a good buy for people who don't know what they want
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Now when I bought my first AR, I KNEW I would scope it, because I scope everything........
So why not purchase an optics ready rifle?

S&W is starting to address this with various configurations of the Sport... they now have an ORC Sport II, and a Sport II with Magpul MOE M-LOK handguard. Still entry level and at the price point of the sport, just more flavors.

Maybe Ruger will also start to offer more configurations of the AR-556 at some point.
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Because this was several years ago and all the different configurations weren't available. It was basically standard or something with a free float upper already installed.
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