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This is a discussion on Muzzle Break, or Flash Hider? within the Ruger Semi-Auto forums, part of the Rifle & Shotgun Forum category; Originally Posted by oldag Can't recall if the factory flashhider has flats on it or not. Many do, A simple open end wrench can often ...


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Old February 1st, 2017, 06:26 AM   #16
 
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Can't recall if the factory flashhider has flats on it or not. Many do, A simple open end wrench can often be used to remove them.
It does have flats.



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Old February 6th, 2017, 01:40 PM   #17
 
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I have a LeVang linear compensator on my AR coyote gun so I don't blow the ears off my hunting buddies when calling out in the field using a carbine length barrel.
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Best yet, get a silencer. Reduces recoil, flash and noise!
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The AR inherently cancels much of it recoil and muzzle rise, that's parts of it design. A brake won't cancel a lot because there's not much to cancel.
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I've never understood why ANYONE would want a muzzle brake, other than people that sell hearing aids for a living.

There's so little recoil from a .223 that a brake is designed more to separate you from your money more than to reduce recoil.

As for a flash hider, it's more like a flash reducer. It does help to protect the rifling at the crown but it doesn't eliminate the muzzle flash.
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No need for an armorer's wrench. A 3/4 wrench will take it off.

And try out the Strike Industries J-Comp. It's a muzzle brake and flash hider. One of the better inexpensive options you can find.
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556 doesn't recoil a lot but if you shoot at public ranges a lot without dividers between you and the people next to you then you may want to reconsider a muzzle break.

I had an AR-10 with a big break on it because at the time I lived in NY and flash hiders were a no-no. So the AR-10 came with a pinned and welded break. The 7.62 cartridge does also benefit more from the break than a 556 would. It did work very well in reducing recoil but I seldom shot the gun because every time I did I earned the ire and dirty looks from everyone within 3 benches either side of me.

This thing generated so much side blast that one time it literally blew a partially loaded ammo pack off the side of my bench at one point. The noise beside it was brutal. I eventually sold the rifle.

If you don't shoot at public ranges or you simply don't care what the people around you think then muzzle break it is. Personally for a 556 I'd stick to a flash hider or, if you can where you live, a suppressor. The latter of which will completely eliminate flash and has all of the effect of a muzzle break too. Albeit with the additional fun of gas to the face. Nothing is perfect I suppose.
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Personally a silencer is a better option.
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The 223 doesn't have enough recoil to merit a brake.

Now if I were going to do something........I'd put a "can" on it.

Years ago my buddy was a class 3 dealer and manufacturer, and we would a take out all the machine guns for a weekend of fun. His M16 with the suppressor on it sounded like a 22. when we put the 22 conversion kit in it, it sounded like a hand clap.

The good old days.....................


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I agree that a 223 doesn't need a muzzle break. It's a very light recoiling rifle.

As to other rifles with brakes I never understood why people are so polarized about them.
They're guns. They're loud. With or without a brake. Personally, I don't have a problem with someone shooting near me with a brake. I'm wearing ear protection so what's the big deal?

I also happen to have a couple of rifles with muzzle brakes, a 30-06 and a 458. Both of them had the brake already installed when I acquired them. It sure does make a *****cat out of the 30-06 and with a brake the 458 is A LOT of fun. I've hunted with the '06 and I don't find it to be any louder than any other 30+ caliber rifle. They're all loud without hearing protection.
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Behind the rifle being the shooter it isn't any louder. Beside it is another story it's not only louder, you feel the blast go right through you. So if you're trying to actually do any precise work it can be tedious having the guy next to you blasting away with a large break.

To each his own I guess...

A suppressor (silencer) is indeed the best option but it is also quite pricey and comes with significant paperwork. And that is IF it is an option at all. Being a former resident of NY I can attest that they are not an option for all.
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No more tedious than the guy next to me giving me dirty looks. It's a gun range. By definition there will be loud noises and muzzle blast. How loud is too loud? How much muzzle blast is too much? Who gets to decide? You? Me? How do you measure it?

I don't dispute that a muzzle brake creates a different noise/blast dynamic but my 458 is going to catch your attention with or without it so what difference does it make?

It's a public range. Some of us are shooting 22LR and some are shooting large caliber centerfire rifles. Who cares? Unless you want to establish specific times for certain types of guns you're going to have to accept that not everybody will be shooting the same type/caliber of guns as you do.

I have to say that one reason I live out in the country and have my own place to shoot is stuff like this. I got sick and tired of ridiculous range rules and other people telling me what I should and shouldn't do. Interestingly, nobody I invite over for a day of shooting ever complains about noise or muzzle blast.
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I'll second the VG6 Epsilon. Great brake and comp, okay for flash. It's small, light, well machined and finished and keeps the dot still.

Everyone is correct here that says .223 does not need a brake or comp but the reduction in muzzle rise is very helpful, especially when shooting quickly. There is more concussion, it's part of the compromise.

If you are after more suppressing flash more, a design like the AAC Brakeout on my 8" .300 BO is pretty effective. It does ping a bit, I know that bothers some people.
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No more tedious than the guy next to me giving me dirty looks. It's a gun range. By definition there will be loud noises and muzzle blast. How loud is too loud? How much muzzle blast is too much? Who gets to decide? You? Me? How do you measure it?

I don't dispute that a muzzle brake creates a different noise/blast dynamic but my 458 is going to catch your attention with or without it so what difference does it make?

It's a public range. Some of us are shooting 22LR and some are shooting large caliber centerfire rifles. Who cares? Unless you want to establish specific times for certain types of guns you're going to have to accept that not everybody will be shooting the same type/caliber of guns as you do.
I guess for me it depends on who it is and what is going on. For example at the range I often shoot at there is an older gentleman there occasionally with an old 60's vintage benchrest rifle and an old really long scope. He takes his shot, waits for the barrel to cool and the wind to die down and then lines up his next shot very carefully to take the next. When he is there or those like him I will wait for them to take their shot if I see them doing it even if others don't/won't. I guess to me it's a case of other peoples actions don't justify my own. I should note I never get dirty looks from him when I shoot nor does anyone else. In cases like that I consider it basic common courtesy and it's a sensibility I was raised with. He is courteous to everyone else and deserves the same in kind.

Now there is the other end of the scale far too common at public ranges as well with the guy that just got a new AR or AK or some handgun next to me popping off hundreds of rounds and hitting me and my things with them etc. In that case no respect is given and none is due in return.

I guess we just have different sensibilities which is fine. It's part of being a free country. Not every has to or even should agree on everything. It's certainly not worth belaboring the point anymore so I won't comment on that particular subject again.

Also in re-reading my original post I think it sounds like I sold the rifle because of that. I didn't. I had moved south before that and could have changed the muzzle device had I wished. I actually sold it because I got an M1A which I like much better.

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I have to say that one reason I live out in the country and have my own place to shoot is stuff like this. I got sick and tired of ridiculous range rules and other people telling me what I should and shouldn't do.
I don't blame you there actually. I hope to someday have my own land for exactly this reason as well. When you're on public land and using a shared resource you have to abide by the rules set forth by those in charge. On you're own property you're in charge.

Coming from NY where there all of zero public shooting ranges and you get to pay good money to be told even more rules I still appreciate having free public ones here though.

That being said there's something to be said for begin to go out back and shoot without having to wait for a bench or drive a half hour to the range to find out it's full and it's three people deep per bench waiting already etc. I envy you!

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Interestingly, nobody I invite over for a day of shooting ever complains about noise or muzzle blast.
Nor should they. Not only would it be kind of rude it would probably be the last time they got an invite.
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That's a fairly reasoned response. We agree on at least one thing, the M1A. One of my favorite rifles.
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