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Old November 16th, 2009, 09:31 AM   #1
 
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Mini-30 vs AK...?

hey all,

I'm looking to pick up something in 7.62x39 for plinking, etc.

98% of the weapon's use would be range/plinking...with the occasional woods carry/truck ride thrown in. it would also function as a back-up to my AR in a SHTF scenario...

so shoot me straight...I'm mainly looking to compare accuracy & reliability between the 2.

is the Mini-30 at least as accurate as the AK? how about reliability?

not to come across snobby, but I'm only considering responses from those who have ACTUALLY FIRED/USED BOTH WEAPONS.

don't want this to turn into a battle thread...but would appreciate some real experiences comparing the 2 rifles.

thanks in advance for all info...


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Old November 16th, 2009, 11:03 AM   #2
 
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I own a Mini-30 and have used friends AK's and I'll say that the Ruger is as reliable, accurate and quick handling as the AK, no question. Its also more Juror friendly than the AK if you ever need that quality, something not to be dismissed. The only issue I've found is the magazine availablity is limited over the Ruger 5 rounders. Pro Mag 10 round steel mags are what I use and they've been very reliable but they also make a 30 rounder in polymer which I haven't tried. I prefer small mags to keep the trim profile. The mini is the last self defense rifle I'll give up.
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having shot all of them:

Ruger Mini-30: reliable, not accurate, average trigger

Various AK Clones: reliable to pure crap (depends upon who assembles etc.), not accurate (ever), average to horrible triggers.

SKS: very reliable, average triggers, fair to above average accuracy (frankly, I would just buy a nice YUGO SKS if I wanted the "best value" on a semi-auto 7.62X39)

You might also get a 5.45X39 AR/M16 clone and get cheap (cheaper anyway) ammo and great accuracy, and a decent trigger.

also might get a Romanian SAR2 AK clone in 5.45X39 which are pretty decent also.

http://www.savvysurvivor.com/gearrev..._ak_rifles.htm


Hughuno, you kinda sound like an old GI to me with a little "been there, done that" mixed in.
No triggerpuller worth his salt would consider an AK an accurate rifle.
Great round, usually crappy rifle, I'd take a Simonov any day. Russian or Yugo, no Chinese crap.
TN Ruger, the Mini 30's accuracy isn't much better and magazines are limited to 5 rounds if you want it to work, if you can live with that, go for it, otherwise, get a mini 14 for mag capacity or an SKS for your 7.62 enjoyment.
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You already have a mini-14, so you know what a mini-30 is all about already. If you are happy with the platform, stick with it.

For what you are talking about, an Izhmash made AK is as accurate as you need. Yup, it is no super fancy bolt action "sniper rifle" but that would be a different sort of gun anyhow.


How about an AK in .308?

Of course if it were me looking for an accurate package in 7.62x39 (like if I was looking to shoot smaller than deer sized targets at greater than deer sized ranges) I'd probably be looking at a CZ 527 Carbine http://cz-usa.com/products/view/cz-527-carbine/
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Hmmm..well I own all three, A wasr-10 double stack, a few SKS (old norinco's and yugo's), and the mini-30.

My best shooter is the old chinese paratrooper SKS. Even functions well with removable mags since I did the bolt carrier mod. Haven't had the yugos out to shoot, they are still wearing cosmoline for now. Never had a problem with any SKS though, especially if you keep to stripper clips and the factory magazine. Scopes are a worthless proposition on them, but the williams peep/firesight is a great hook-up.

My wasr (AK clone) functions great, does better than MOM accuracy (minute of man) at 200 meters...it does exactly what you would expect of an AK. In any nasty environs, it would be my first choice. Strangely, the scope mount on this works well (side mount), and is great for a red dot and quick target acquisition.

The mini-30 is the "purtiest" of the 7.62's I own. It is a nice weapon, functional and decently accurate with the homemade strut on it. I still would make it my third choice as a combat weapon. More finisky ammo wise, and not as proven as the other two old battle-axes. Too expensive as well. I can get a couple SKS for the price of a Mini-30.
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You already have a mini-14, so you know what a mini-30 is all about already. If you are happy with the platform, stick with it.

For what you are talking about, an Izhmash made AK is as accurate as you need. Yup, it is no super fancy bolt action "sniper rifle" but that would be a different sort of gun anyhow.


How about an AK in .308?

Of course if it were me looking for an accurate package in 7.62x39 (like if I was looking to shoot smaller than deer sized targets at greater than deer sized ranges) I'd probably be looking at a CZ 527 Carbine http://cz-usa.com/products/view/cz-527-carbine/

That CZ is a nice little rig, you also reminded me of the M77 in 7.62/39
that was made a while back.
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Ruger is now offering 20 round FACTORY mags for the Mini-30. Don't know when they'll hit the stores but the 2010 catalog lists a Mini-30 that comes with a 20 rounder.
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Ruger is now offering 20 round FACTORY mags for the Mini-30. Don't know when they'll hit the stores but the 2010 catalog lists a Mini-30 that comes with a 20 rounder.

Now you're talkin, I've got my new catalog at home and I did not notice that, I'll look for it tonight. Decent mini 30 mags have always been a problem, thanks for the heads up.
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You already have a mini-14, so you know what a mini-30 is all about already. If you are happy with the platform, stick with it.
that's kind of the direction I was leaning anyway... I do like the mini-type platform, just heard a lot of rumors about the Mini-30's being "inaccurate".

if it'll match my mini-14, or an AK for accuracy, that's good enough for me. it's mainly gonna be a plinker anyway....

I am intrigued by the SKS idea though...think I'll eventually have to pick one up, even if it's just to own a piece of history.

if Ruger really does start making 20-rounders available for the Mini-30, I think I'll definitely end up going with that.


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that's kind of the direction I was leaning anyway... I do like the mini-type platform, just heard a lot of rumors about the Mini-30's being "inaccurate".

if it'll match my mini-14, or an AK for accuracy, that's good enough for me. it's mainly gonna be a plinker anyway....

I am intrigued by the SKS idea though...think I'll eventually have to pick one up, even if it's just to own a piece of history.

if Ruger really does start making 20-rounders available for the Mini-30, I think I'll definitely end up going with that.


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I think the mini 30 is actually a bit more capable than the 14, especially if you can get good mags. They respond well to the same tricks, a homemade strut from Cheaper than dirt rail mounts and a piece of rod, and a decent muzzle brake/flash suppressor will really bring it into decent accuracy.
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I'm looking to add a Mini-30 to my battery. Those 20rnd mags just make it a better option now!
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I have a 1994 Mini-30 and I would consider it MOM accurate 3 to 4 inche groups. I also have a Yugo SKS about 2" groups. But a lot cheaper. If you'r looking for a 7.62X39 plinker, I would go with the SKS, you can feed it anything and it will fire. Dress it up any way you want (just make it US compliant) and you have I think a better rifle. My mini-30 is fussy about what it eats, the SKS is not. Also better dress up kits. Easyier to find accessories, magazines, etc.

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I'm sorry I haven't shot the Mini 30 or the 14, but AKs are poor in the accuracy dept and SKS has a weird feel to it with the short stock, the accuracy on the Yugo SKS I shot was 4inches at 100yards. Remember that the Mini has things out there to improve accuracy like the Hard Bar and aftermarket barrels (Rugers Heavy barrel with the Harmonic Dampener is great).
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Saiga all the way.

7.62X39.jpg
i know the picture is horrible.

This is my Izhmash Saiga - 7.62X39. with the Busnell 18X scope it shoots 6" groups at 200yds. It came as a sporting gun with a rifle stock. I put the saw grip and collapsible on it and the side mount scope. I love this and it cant be beat for the money. Some say theyre cheap Sh1t but i love it.
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Old December 19th, 2009, 06:41 PM   #15
 
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BTW how do you upload pics so they display big?
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