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Old April 15th, 2016, 03:51 PM   #106
 
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While I own both ARs and a Mini, the ARs will always dominate the marketplace because they are the BarbieŽ of the rifle set; you can dress them up any way you want them.

There are many, many armchair commandos who think the most important thing about their ARs are how they look. They don't have the skill or the inclination to practice good marksmanship to give themselves the tools to shoot accurately.

So mag dumps are their 'proof of quality' standard. 1MOA to them means "1 Minute Of Ammo." If I go to a public range, they are always out in force and 'spray and pray' is their mantra.
There is some logic to this. I just wish Ruger would ask us what we want to see and how we would improve the rifle and to keep it viable for the 21st century. The design is solid but we need to see more options to make the rifle more versatile. I've said before the 583 is the best Mini I have seen in the last 35 years. But, how about the next 35 years?
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well said, sandog.

what i find strange is that....people seem uncomfortable at the idea of choices. in the world of 223 semi autos....how many choices are there? do people really want the AR to be the only choice? NOT me!

the AR is great. but i wish there was at least 10 other 223 platforms to chose from....but there really isn't. the mini 14 offers a refreshing alternative to the AR, and i am so glad it is out there. even if i didn't love it...i'd still be grateful for the variety.

i'll say it again...NO ONE that has shot my mini has disliked it. i'll take the personal experience over anything i read on the internet.
I like choice. I have ARs and Minis... My latest acquisition? I got a Zastava M90np AK that shoots 556 and uses AR mags... I really need to shoot it though...
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I truly don't understand this argument at all. Have any of you Mini haters ever fired an M1 Garand? M14 or M1A? M1 Carbine? The action design with it's asymmetrical acting op rod is not a tack driver by design. That said, it was good enough for Millions of GIs to win WWII with. It was good enough to win Camp Perry matches for years with.

No, it's not likely to out perform a purpose built AR or a Space Gun but so what! Neither will 99.999% of the hunting rifles sold in on planet earth either! Is the Mini's current offering good enough to produce near 1" groups with good ammo? Yes, both the Mini-14 and Mini-30 have demonstrated sub-MOA and MOA performance with some tweaks.

Is that good enough? Yes!

Let this constant bickering about AR vs Mini die. Who really gives a rat's a$$ anyway? The AR lovers will not be swayed, the Mini lovers will not be swayed, and those with any sense will continue to appreciate both.
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Let this constant bickering about AR vs Mini die. Who really gives a rat's a$$ anyway? The AR lovers will not be swayed, the Mini lovers will not be swayed, and those with any sense will continue to appreciate both.
Thank you Steve.
After firing thousands of rounds through the Colt, C7, C7A1, C7A2 and the C8A2 and C8A3, then firing a few thousand rounds through the Mini 14 they each have good and bad points.
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Well said Steve,I love my Mini,up here in Canada we can't hunt with a AK,SKS,AR or any of those other Military types rifles so for us Canadians the Mini is it.
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I bought my first Mini14, a stainless 183 series pencil barrel for $225 used, nearly 30 years ago. I've never had a problem with it and could pretty much hit what I wanted until my eyes started ageing. So, last year I bought a 580 series Ranch at Wally World for about $700 so I could scope it. They will never out shoot my NM M1A, but that's not why I bought them. I bought them because they're fun plinkers that are a heck of a lot cheaper to run than something using 30.06 or .308. BTW I have an AR that I enjoy as much as my Mini. I don't think of one being better than the other, they're just different. I've never been able to understand people that feel it's their duty to rain on someone's parade. If you don't like something you're free to say so, but don't put people down that like what you dislike. State you're opinion and let it rest. After all this is a Ruger forum, I would never go on an AR Forum and trash ARs. I feel I've gotten my money's worth from my two Minis, that's just my personal experience. I know that other's have had a different experience and that's OK. That's what I thought this thread was about.
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I truly don't understand this argument at all. Have any of you Mini haters ever fired an M1 Garand? M14 or M1A? M1 Carbine? The action design with it's asymmetrical acting op rod is not a tack driver by design. That said, it was good enough for Millions of GIs to win WWII with. It was good enough to win Camp Perry matches for years with.

No, it's not likely to out perform a purpose built AR or a Space Gun but so what! Neither will 99.999% of the hunting rifles sold in on planet earth either! Is the Mini's current offering good enough to produce near 1" groups with good ammo? Yes, both the Mini-14 and Mini-30 have demonstrated sub-MOA and MOA performance with some tweaks.

Is that good enough? Yes!

Let this constant bickering about AR vs Mini die. Who really gives a rat's a$$ anyway? The AR lovers will not be swayed, the Mini lovers will not be swayed, and those with any sense will continue to appreciate both.
Agreed. Sometimes it seems we get bogged down with the belief that whatever happens to be on our rifle rack bespeaks a better decision than what someone else has hanging on theirs.

I started reloading over 40 years ago in Northern Colorado with help from a college friend that had a bit of everything - found it to be a valuable starting point - with the possible exception of the financial consequences involved in trying to keep the checkbook balance ahead of the 'wish-list.'
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Nearly anyone can change many AR15 parts and not require the services of a factory gunsmith. If you need a major part for the Mini only the factory can install it and they will make your modified Mini ''stock" again.

Since Ruger is making money with their current system, they have no incentive to change it. So for mechanical idiots like me all my Rugers are stock and its no big deal.
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I sure would buy it again! Picked up a used 183 about 2 years ago, great shape and a blast to shoot. It's not an AR (I have 2) but it's still a heck of a gun.

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Nearly anyone can change many AR15 parts and not require the services of a factory gunsmith. If you need a major part for the Mini only the factory can install it and they will make your modified Mini ''stock" again.

Since Ruger is making money with their current system, they have no incentive to change it. So for mechanical idiots like me all my Rugers are stock and its no big deal.
Have you every heard of someone called a Trained Gunsmith? They can order anything from Ruger and are qualified to fix your modified Ruger without converting it back to stock.

BTW, that's the case for nearly every firearm made, except for the plastic fantastic ARs, you need a gunsmith to set them right when they fail. Same as with most precision things.
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I will chime in on this discussion with my experience. In the mid -90's I bought a mini-14 brand new from my LGS. I loved everything about the gun with one exception- the accuracy. While at the range, I noticed a bad heat stringing problem...the first shot was dead on, all subsequent shots were low, lower, and lower. All kinds of questions and research led to the same answer- that's just the way the mini's shoot. To fix the problem at that time was to basically double the cost of the gun. I got rid of it. I'm a function trumps fashion kind of guy. That being said, I still love the mini's, and always will. I understand Ruger has fixed the accuracy problem but I just don't think I'd buy another one.
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I will chime in on this discussion with my experience. In the mid -90's I bought a mini-14 brand new from my LGS. I loved everything about the gun with one exception- the accuracy. While at the range, I noticed a bad heat stringing problem...the first shot was dead on, all subsequent shots were low, lower, and lower. All kinds of questions and research led to the same answer- that's just the way the mini's shoot. To fix the problem at that time was to basically double the cost of the gun.
May I ask why it would double the cost of the rifle to accurize it? Did you ever research any after market ready to install barrels?
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I will chime in on this discussion with my experience. In the mid -90's I bought a mini-14 brand new from my LGS. I loved everything about the gun with one exception- the accuracy. While at the range, I noticed a bad heat stringing problem...the first shot was dead on, all subsequent shots were low, lower, and lower. All kinds of questions and research led to the same answer- that's just the way the mini's shoot. To fix the problem at that time was to basically double the cost of the gun. I got rid of it. I'm a function trumps fashion kind of guy. That being said, I still love the mini's, and always will. I understand Ruger has fixed the accuracy problem but I just don't think I'd buy another one.
Your Mini was a 18X or 19X series Mini with the small, "pencil" (.560") barrel which was prone to stringing when hot and poor grouping. Current 58X series Mini-14s have a .625" barrel and can be identified by a slight taper just in front of the gas block with a guarded front sight vs the older large single blade. They don't suffer from those problems and are decently accurate out of the box. With a few tweaks and shooting good quality ammo, current Mini-14s produce near MOA accuracy much like their namesakes, the M14 (M1A).

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May I ask why it would double the cost of the rifle to accurize it? Did you ever research any after market ready to install barrels?
I looked into different options but if I remember correctly it wasn't just a simple barrel change, it had to be sent off to fit the gas block etc...there was a company that was cryogenically treating the barrel or adding bull barrels etc...but in the mid 90's, the mini only cost $400. The aftermarket stuff was dang close or more. Like I said, I still love the Mini's and it is not my intent to bash them at all....it was just my experience with that one.
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