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Old April 8th, 2016, 09:07 PM   #76
 
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I've had built or built 3 precision Mini's. Each of them had over $2,000 in smithing work done. None of the 3 were "pencil barrels."

None of the 3 shot as well as any of over 200 AR's I've built for LESS COST. None of the 3 shot as well as any AR I've built even for under $1,000!

So no, I would not buy another Mini. I have a pair of 14's, a 30, and a Mini-6.8. I have them to say I have them, but they're a depressing waste of money holding down the back of my safe.

I find 1-1.5MOA out of a $1,000+ rig to be absolutely unacceptable. Given $1,000, I can nearly guarantee to cut that size IN HALF with an AR platform.

The whole "if you want a tack driver, get something else," line of thinking is idiotic. Why would anyone spend $600-1000 on a Mini, then spend money on top of that "accurizing" it or "modding it out" or whatever kids call it these days, just to get something which doesn't shoot as well as another platform? What's the justification for spending the money at all? No matter how much you polish a turd, you still have a turd, and the only thing you have to show for your effort is schitt on your hands.



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I've had built or built 3 precision Mini's. Each of them had over $2,000 in smithing work done. None of the 3 were "pencil barrels."

None of the 3 shot as well as any of over 200 AR's I've built for LESS COST. None of the 3 shot as well as any AR I've built even for under $1,000!
I have to say, after spending that much money , it is probably time to stop blaming the rifle.
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Mini's ( or AR's for that matter) were never meant to be benchrest competition accurate, or the choice for sniping tiny rodents at long range. If you had to use one or the other for those roles, the AR would be better suited.
As if 1 to 1.5 MOA is not good at all. WTF ????
I can see how you'd be bitter after spending $2000 on each Mini and it not shooting one hole groups.
Geez, I spent about $250-$300 on my 3 Mini's and got them down to 1.5 MOA with several factory loads, and 1 MOA with my handloads, but would have been happy with 1.5-2 MOA.
Trying to make something into something it's not, is a major source of disappointment.
Pouring more and more money into something for a very slight gain is known as "diminishing returns".
Most of us are very happy with the Mini's we own, and a coyote or bad guy at any reasonable range would be in trouble.
Are you that good at off hand , kneeling, etc. to make use of a 1/2 MOA rifle, or would you have to tell the target to wait while you unfold your bipod or set up your portable bench ?
Mini's, while not out of the box tack drivers like some AR's, will go bang EVERY time, more than I can say about the hundreds of AR's I've owned, shot and seen others shoot over the last 4 decades.
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I have to say, after spending that much money , it is probably time to stop blaming the rifle.
My competitive performance speaks for itself. The Mini's can't stack up. If it were the shooter causing my Mini's to shoot 1-1.5moa, my AR's wouldn't be 1/2moa rifles, and my Panda wouldn't shoot in the 1's.
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Are you that good at off hand , kneeling, etc. to make use of a 1/2 MOA rifle, or would you have to tell the target to wait while you unfold your bipod or set up your portable bench ?
Take some time, look up NRA 4 position competitions. Guys shoot incredibly well every weekend - better than most "shooters" do from a bench. Shooting Sub-MOA off-hand isn't natural, but it's also not difficult once you learn the techniques.

So yes, I shoot off-hand very well - Sub-MOA with any of my rifles which will bench 1/2 to 3/4". It's not really that difficult to translate accuracy into off-hand or monopod standing.

He11, bullseye shooters around the country put up smaller groups than most rifle "shooters" can deliver. Nobody wants to admit that, however, because they'd have to admit their expectations to call someone a "good shot" are very, very low.

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Mini's, while not out of the box tack drivers like some AR's, will go bang EVERY time, more than I can say about the hundreds of AR's I've owned, shot and seen others shoot over the last 4 decades.
You had some crappy AR builders then, and haven't pushed your Mini's very hard. Run a little 3 gun with a "hyper reliable" Mini and see how well it really feeds. Slower than molasses, and prone to choke when you ask it to pick up the pace.
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This has turned into an AR vs Mini thread... Who's gonna start one with AKs? Those lousy trashcans...
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This has turned into an AR vs Mini thread... Who's gonna start one with AKs? Those lousy trashcans...
^^^^ LOL!

I've recently scoped my Mini in hopes to make range trips a little more fun. I used one of those B-square side mounts and, if the SHTF, the scope and mount come off with one screw and I will use the gun as intended: as a quick handling, reliable defense rifle. I'll still keep it.
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Never had much use for a mini............some love them and that's fine. But they are NOT cheap and they are NOT very accurate. You can buy struts, accurizing kits, better barrels, whatever. It still shoots like a mini, which is not very well, as compared to other semi auto platforms available............BUT, guys who like minis love them and they continually try and convince the rest of us how good they are, or can be.

So your $1000 mini with add ons, can shoot MAYBE as well as a $500 AR or a $300 bolt gun..........whats the point
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My competitive performance speaks for itself. The Mini's can't stack up. If it were the shooter causing my Mini's to shoot 1-1.5moa, my AR's wouldn't be 1/2moa rifles, and my Panda wouldn't shoot in the 1's.
Oh I wasn't doubting your shooting ability, just your ability to shoot a Mini 14. I spent way less than 2 grand on my Mini 14 and it will shoot under a 1 inch group at 100 yards. In fact there are some threads here about the target Mini 14 and folks getting good groups out of them. I even think kwg has a ASI build Mini 14 that he hasn't complained about. In fact you would be the only person that I ever heard complain about a custom Mini 14 build. So when you say stuff like, "Why would anyone spend $600-1000 on a Mini, then spend money on top of that "accurizing" it or "modding it out" or whatever kids call it these days, just to get something which doesn't shoot as well as another platform?" puts it in the category of every Mini 14 ever made can not ever be a tack driver. Witch is simply not true. Well not true for my rifle. So you may shoot all your other rifles well, but it sounds like the Mini 14 aint your monster.

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Never had much use for a mini............some love them and that's fine. But they are NOT cheap and they are NOT very accurate. You can buy struts, accurizing kits, better barrels, whatever. It still shoots like a mini, which is not very well, as compared to other semi auto platforms available............BUT, guys who like minis love them and they continually try and convince the rest of us how good they are, or can be.

So your $1000 mini with add ons, can shoot MAYBE as well as a $500 AR or a $300 bolt gun..........whats the point
Where do you people get 1000 dollar minis from? Does no one shop around for better prices any more? Pearl, MS walmart, gottem for 627 bucks.
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I also like to say this is turning into "The High Road" type thread. In short, not good.
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The Mini-14 Target runs a $950-ish street price off of the shelf. Cabelas near me had one marked $1150 about 4 months ago.
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I'm staying out of ↑.

I know I'm late to the party, but I love my Mini 14 and would definitely but another one. I'm not comparing it to an AR, because it's nothing like one. If I would have wanted an AR, that's what I would have bought. I wanted a Mini 14...... so that's what I got. I don't expect target accuracy out of it and that's a good thing, because I don't target shoot with it. If I wanted a rifle for target shooting, I'd get a bolt gun. Oh wait..... I'm suppose to stay out of ↑. Whoops.

Aaaannny way, yes, I would buy a Mini again.
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Where do you people get 1000 dollar minis from? Does no one shop around for better prices any more? Pearl, MS walmart, gottem for 627 bucks.
Will a box stock mini, with no mods, shoot near 1 moa.............I haven't seen one or even heard of one that would, even from guys who love them. My neighbor across the road is a mini 14 freak, probably has 20 with various sorts of mods. Some shoot pretty well, but not compared to what he has in them, but he loves them and wouldn't have anything else. To each their own. But even HE knows they have limitations and never tries to tell me how good they are. Always says they "shoot good for a mini 14".........built in disclaimer, coming from a guy who loves them
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The Mini-14 Target runs a $950-ish street price off of the shelf. Cabelas near me had one marked $1150 about 4 months ago.
The guy said a Mini 14 not a Target model. I know target Minis go for 900 and up, but thanks
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