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Old April 1st, 2016, 10:09 AM   #16
 
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I don't expect to be holding off zombies, but around the ranch/farm I have, the mini-30 is a great truck gun with its muzzle on the floorboard and bouncing around. Its a tool to me and not a fetish so I don't worry about scratches or a little rust. Whether popping coyote, the occasional dog some ahole has dropped off on the road (I hate those people), or just shooting for fun, it takes rough handling and eats the cheapest ammo going.



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Old April 1st, 2016, 01:23 PM   #17
 
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I'am planning on buying another mini, I've always liked this gun as I like the M1A an the Garand . Theres just something about shooting them that to me is way more fun than the AR of which I have owned 2. I gave my last AR to my son. Will I ever buy another , maybe.. But for now I want another Mini.
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Old April 1st, 2016, 01:43 PM   #18
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I'm pretty well set with 5.56 carbines. I have owned a 181-series Mini-14 since 1980. Like Uncle Chuck said - "from my cold, dead hands". My nephew gets it at that point - the first non-.22LR weapon he ever fired, at about the ripe old age of five. He loves his Sig AR, but worships the Mini. He has good taste!

Should a meteor drop out of the sky and demolish my Mini, I'd get another Mini (Tactical) and not an AR (after, of course, a proper burial and mourning period).
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I shoot ars well but the mini 14 just feels better.
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Warning: rambling ahead...

Fortunately I own both AR's (or AN AR currently) and several Mini 14's... First and foremost: I LOVE my Mini's, and I trust the Garand-Action as much as anything up to and including a sharp stick. It's also hilarious to me to watch people completely jaw-drop freak out over an AR and then not bat an eye-lash at a Mini-14 in a truck. Love that.

Per the OP, the reason I would "not" buy a Mini (if I didn't own one) is: "it depends on what it's for" (and if used, what series it was). With the AR556 in Ruger's line-up, the Mini is no longer a "budget alternative" and the money you save on the AR556 nets you wiggle room to either buy more ammo or dude up yer rifle. So were it a "my first 5.56" situation or a simple Home-defense rifle buy I'd buy the AR556 or any other number of AR rifles for less. No the Mini isn't THAT much more then the AR556 depending on where you get it, but it's more expensive to mod and outfit (I only run Ruger factory mags and they're spendy and can be hard to find). It's also not as "mod friendly" as an AR (nothing is...) and if you're hiking with it, the weight can add up quickly if you're using glass on the factory steel-rings or some of the heavier "scout mount" style which are another thing that's personal preference. Also, and I DO NOT mean to insult anyone here by saying this or "dis" anyone's rifle because of what I'm gonna say but, the choice of Mini-14 Stocks SUCKS IMO. The Hogue and other "trad" style Rifle stocks are great/, but the others are either junk, heavy, HEINOUSLY expensive (*ahem* a Sage Chassis... although IF you can find one, THAT thing is cool IMO... it's like a Mini Marine EBR/DMR Rifle) or flimsy to the point of breaking under hard use. The Mini also has a lot of "little differences" between all the series changes that makes some stocks like the Archangel potentially hard to fit. All stuff to consider with the Mini-14/30/.300BO. The AR is like a Small-Block Chevy: May not be the best choice but you can pretty much rebuild one with parts from a 7-11... You can walk into any dam store that sells guns and it WILL have AR parts usually. Not so with the Mini. In fact I JUST found that a local place called Bi-Mart (it's like Walmart only not... well, Wallmart) had several 20 and 30rnd Mini-14 mags and... I bought them all. If I did that everywhere I found AR mags I'd have... a bloody HEAP of mags, or, the Gubment flying Black Helicopters over my house for having an "Arsenal" or some such garbage.

Now, if I had a collection of firearms and it was devoid of a Mini or two (I have 3 of varying era's and historical value to me including the first "real gun" I learned to shoot before I was "graduated" to the M1A by my Dad)... I WOULD buy a Mini. Definitely. Just not sure if it would be a new Ranch, or the new .300BO. (I like 18" barrels/blued/wood BUT, experience seems to show the 16" Tacticals to be the more accurate out of the box) Despite all the S@#$ people love to talk about them on the interwebs and at the Range sometimes... Mini's are great rifles and IMO they're kinda "historical" in their own right for all "Bill's BS", the A-Team (been watching old re-runs lately... such a hilarious show, nobody ever really get's shot but BOY do they spray and pray, I feel like I'm watching an ISIS training video or something) and other, less positive reasons. Plus as guys like Nutnfancy have shown on vid, they can certainly hang in a "tactical"/combat situation with anything in their class if handled by a competent Rifleman.

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I don't expect to be holding off zombies, but around the ranch/farm I have, the mini-30 is a great truck gun with its muzzle on the floorboard and bouncing around. Its a tool to me and not a fetish so I don't worry about scratches or a little rust. Whether popping coyote, the occasional dog some ahole has dropped off on the road (I hate those people), or just shooting for fun, it takes rough handling and eats the cheapest ammo going.
Great example of what an awesome "Ranch Rifle" the Mini IS... And I hate "those people" too. I have a older 195-series Wood/Blue Ranch-Rifle that is in this exact "Truck Gun" set-up and I don't think I'd be as happy with an AR in it's stead. There's something "right" about a Mini in a truck... wish I'd had a Mini-14 when I lived in Australia working on a Cattle Station. 70-series LC Ute, Border-collie, Stihl Saw strapped onto the bed and my Mini-14 Ranch on the rear rack. Perfection.

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I wish I still had my early 80s "14". (stainless/wood) That was a long time ago. Lord knows what I traded it for. Picked up a used "30" a few years ago... Just wasn't the same, so it's gone too.
I've just never been able to get interested in ARs.
Of course, I do have a few SKSs, but no AKs. That's just me.
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Old April 1st, 2016, 06:11 PM   #22
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Anybody that shoots a dog somebody dropped off is the real a**hole. I live in the country too and have to deal with the same problem. Call animal control fercrissakes. It's a domestic dog, not a predator.
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I love my Mini-30's. I like the ergo's much better than the AR, and being left handed, it is much easier for me to operate. There are advantages to the AR, modularity, decent out of the box accuracy with just about any you pick up, ease of swapping out parts and easier to get parts like firing pins, magazines can be had for nearly half the price.
Advantages to the Mini platform ? Much cleaner running, safety and mag release put where you can get to them with either hand, not as "evil/scary looking/to the general public, traditional looks and feel, iron sights come standard and are low to the bore.
Stoppages in the normally way overgassed Mini, when using good magazines (Ruger factory ones), are very rare indeed.
I say this with 40 years experience with the M16-M4-AR-15. I've owned many, trained to repair them in the Army, built many for myself and friends.
I just don't get excited about them any more, the looks, the feel, the high mounted sights, the carbon fouled actions, the bulk ( heighth wise, not length).
The Mini's ? I get excited every time I take them out.
I do get uppity when someone says that all Mini's are inaccurate and unreliable, because their cousin Billy Bob had one that was. Yes, because he used cheap aftermarket magazines with soft feed lips, shot crap ammo through it and wasn't a very good shot to begin with.
Mine are just fine, and many others are too, that know a few things about running them. If the OP chooses a Mini, we will help you out, and you'll enjoy the experience.






I know it's prob been said before but still love the looks of your mini with m1 carbine furniture.
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OK, I'll be the bad guy.

I did the Mini-14 thing for a while.
It was never a bad rifle but it never lived up to the other center fire semi-auto rifles I owned/shot along side it.

Pros:
Extremely reliable
Reasonable initial cost
Very durable
Long production run

Cons:
Never encountered an accurate Mini-14. Sorry but that's the painful truth.

You can spend a lot of time and effort to improve the accuracy of a mini-14 but in the end a lot of other rifles will exceed the accuracy of the mini-14.
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They are solid rifles and well suited for their intended role but they fit into a very small niche. If you need a moderate degree of short range accuracy from an inexpensive .223 rifle that is incredibly reliable - the Mini-14 is a perfect rifle.
However, a lot of other .223 rifles will match its reliability AND exceed its accuracy.
Cost is the only place where the Mini-14 will hold its own.

I'm sorry, I know this is s Ruger forum but the basic design of the Mini-14 is strong on reliability but weak on accuracy.

I'm not a huge .223 fan to start with but if I'm going to shoot that cartridge I at least want as much accuracy as I can get out of it.
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To get accuracy out of a Mini, first you have to be a decent shot. Then tone down the excessive gas, do a recrown on the muzzle, and work up some good loads for it.
A strut will help a lot on the older pencil barrel Mini's, not so much on the newer tapered barrel ones, or the Mini-30 which never had a true "pencil" barrel. They have always been .625" barrels, where the Mini-14 older models were .560".
All the AR's I've owned needed some load development as well. Typically, an AR will shoot around 1 1/2" 5 shot groups at 100 yards with FMJ ammo like PMC or XM193. Loading a good match bullet like the 77 grain SMK or 68 grain Hornady will get that down to 3/4".
I'm talking carbine length AR's with free float handguards, not fixed stock ones with 24 inch stainless target barrels. (one of those I had, a Bushmaster Varminter, would shoot 1/2" groups with my handloads).
My Mini-14 would shoot 2 inch groups with XM193, 1 1/2" with PMC X-Tac, and 1 inch groups with the 77 grain SMK or 68 grain Hornady. Most all Mini's will need some tinkering to get to shoot better, but most of the mods are inexpensive and can be done yourself.
People always say that now AR's are cheaper than Mini's, but they need a trigger upgrade and free float handguard to be more accurate, and typically don't come with any iron sights. The Mini is more ambidextrous, runs much cleaner than a DI AR, and comes with good iron sights.
All three of the Mini's I've had recently (now that I know how to set them up properly) will shoot 1 inch 100 yards groups. A mini-14 and 2 Mini-30's. I can't seem to get them to do better than 1 inch.
All of the carbine AR's I've owned, I can get to group at 3/4".
I don't consider a quarter inch difference to be significant, unless you are sniping prairie dogs at 350 yards, or shooting bulls eye competition. Shooting from improvised positions, snap shooting or close quarters, both platforms are "Minute of Man" for up to the max "effective" range of 300 yards or so. Yes, some of us can hit center of mass at 600 yards, but out there the 5.56mm is down to the energy of a .22 Magnum rimfire.
I keep hearing about how inaccurate the Mini is, and how accurate the AR is, but most guys I know that have either one aren't good enough shots to keep all their shots on a silhouette at 100 yards unless they are shooting off a rest.
"Practical" accuracy, the difference between the two is not as much as you might think.
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Agreed, I like the M1 Carbine and M1A/M14 mods as well. And as much as I like the Wood/Blue look on Mini's... I LOVE that Green/FDE Cerekote Mini above, in fact I think that picture brought me to this board from a Google search.
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Anybody that shoots a dog somebody dropped off is the real a**hole. I live in the country too and have to deal with the same problem. Call animal control fercrissakes. It's a domestic dog, not a predator.
I'm with you on this, Bonk. I can't imagine shooting a non-threatening dog for no reason
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Tnks to all for the great info, hope it continues. As far as the actions go, between the AR type and the mini-does one have significant differences with regard to reliability and ability to keep reliable (service, clean).

The Mrs., being petite, is quite fond of our 10/22 enjoys shooting our .22wmr but the size is an issue, along with ammo availability and cost, thus the questions about the mini in .223-she is particularly resistant to a black gun instead wanting something that is 'pretty'-we are dedicated plinkers 200yds is pretty much it, and a scope is a necessity for longer shooting as we both have vision issues.

I'll admit that the black guns don't hold any attraction to me, aesthetically, for me its all about precision-reliability and practicality and I realize that a shoulder fired weapon should be in every persons inventory.

Again thank you to all for responding.
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Tnks to all for the great info, hope it continues. As far as the actions go, between the AR type and the mini-does one have significant differences with regard to reliability and ability to keep reliable (service, clean).

The Mrs., being petite, is quite fond of our 10/22 enjoys shooting our .22wmr but the size is an issue, along with ammo availability and cost, thus the questions about the mini in .223-she is particularly resistant to a black gun instead wanting something that is 'pretty'-we are dedicated plinkers 200yds is pretty much it, and a scope is a necessity for longer shooting as we both have vision issues.

I'll admit that the black guns don't hold any attraction to me, aesthetically, for me its all about precision-reliability and practicality and I realize that a shoulder fired weapon should be in every persons inventory.

Again thank you to all for responding.
My wife would shoot my Mini-14. She won't even pick up my AR. She loves her 10/22, Henry 22 and CZ 22. In her mind the Mini-14 feels a lot like a slightly heavier 10/22 and it functions a lot like a 10/22. Now you and I could pick apart her logic but in general she's right, it's just a 10/22 on steroids. If your wife is like mine she'll much prefer a Mini-14 over an AR particularly if you get a wood/blue version.

Don't over think the accuracy part of this discussion. A typical off the rack new model Mini-4 is plenty accurate for everything short of bullseye and bench rest shooting. Even if you only get 3MOA that's tight enough to hit a soda can at 100 yards. That's more than accurate enough for a working/plinking rifle.
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To get accuracy out of a Mini, first you have to be a decent shot. Then tone down the excessive gas, do a recrown on the muzzle, and work up some good loads for it.
A strut will help a lot on the older pencil barrel Mini's, not so much on the newer tapered barrel ones, or the Mini-30 which never had a true "pencil" barrel. They have always been .625" barrels, where the Mini-14 older models were .560".


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Sandog - I agree with you that a Mini-14 can be improved. I agree that the direct impingement gas system or the AR platform is the big weakness of the AR platform (although probably not as big of an issue as some would lead you to believe)

I'd also like to point out that my Mini-14 experience was mostly gained in the 1980's -1990's shooting rifles that were likely made in the 1970's with a little bit of time shooting a late 80's ranch rifle. So admittedly my experience was with older rifles. I'm a decent shot and was even better in those days but I never got groups under 2" at 100 yards with a Mini-14 and generally the groups were much larger (4"+) . I could routinely get 2" groups at 100 yards with iron sights and a H&K 93 side by side with the Ruger during that time.

The Mini-14 is undeniably reliable and robust. I haven't shot one in years and maybe the accuracy is better now. The basic design of the Mini-14's operating system doesn't lend itself to accuracy. The large heavy op rod with its integral cylinder coupled with the fixed gas piston puts a lot of moving mass into the equation. Perhaps the heavier barrels improve that situation. Reducing the amount of gas acting on that op rod couldn't hurt.

For the most part my semi-auto rifle and black rifle days are behind me now.
I gave up on the Mini-14 years ago, maybe I gave up too soon.
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