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Old December 9th, 2016, 04:47 PM   #151
 
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I love my mini, a 188, but yeah, the accuracy - about 7 inch groups on a good day. It went in the closet for a long time. So just for S&g's I put a cheapo ATI strikeforce on it. The mini was (is) my go-to gun for a while so some rails were desired for a light. The unexpected benefit I got from the ATI stock was the folding stock, taking overall length down to 28.5" folded. Most AR pistols are about 28". I have a Vortex Razor reflex on the mini and it is super fun to shoot. And fairly light weight - I carry my guns in the mountains.
First off... Welcome, welcome

Secondly, I completely understand where you are coming from. The Mini 14 is a nice light weight quick drawing fast popper of a gun. Always able to fire and a tuff sucker to boot... But 7inch groups? It really should be getting better than that, those 188's came with 1and7 barrel twist, so you may want to try a heavier bullet. My 188 didn't shoot 55grain's very well, but it really likes 62grain bullets.

Thirdly, it is funny that you brought this thread back to life, cause if I did have to buy my Mini 14 again, I would. In fact I did. My first Mini 14 I got back in the 90's and it is a 188, I shot, I hunted, I loved that thing for many years. I just recently re-barreled it with a Shilen target barrel, and it is a absolute tack driver. Then about a couple of months ago I found a diamond in the ruff, another 188 Mini 14. The main reason I got it was, it already had a good flash hider on it and M1 Carbine sights...Oh, and a great freaking price.

But I understand you haven't done any "mods" to yours, but both my 188's even before the Shilen barrel install, it was shooting 3inch groups at 100 yards. I don't do the strut thing, but there are some simple "mods" you can do to improve the accuracy. Check the screws on the gas block to make sure it sits square and torqued evenly. Get some Wilson combat recoil buffers, shim the stock, use the right kind of ammo for the twist of the barrel. You can easily polish the trigger yourself, you wont take any pounds out of it but it will be more crisp. But here is what I did

Ruger 188 series Mini 14 Ranch rifle 1and7twist
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Hogue overmolded stock with the credit card mod
Barrel has been cut down to 16inches with a Choate flash hider
Choate ventilated hand guard
M1 carbine sights
Added Wilson Combat 1911 recoil buffers
Extra Power wolff recoil spring
Polished trigger
Re-torqued the gas block
Number 4 Ruger scope rings w/a Bushnell Sportsman 3x9 32mm scope.

Here is a 100yard target I had just shot last Friday on Dec. 2ed for a thread I made for the perfect union forums. I shot 3 different 10shot groups with monarch 62grain steel case ammo.

Measurement: 1.7

Measurement 2.3

Measurement2.6


Source:Accurizing Mini 14 Pencil Barrel Accuracy/ Beating a dead horse - Shooting Sports Forum

And here is a fun little video showing both of my Minis... if I had to buy them again
In this video I'm shooting with the wrong ammo and getting 5inch groups with 55grain tulammo at 100yards and open sights.




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Old December 9th, 2016, 05:52 PM   #152
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Bear, welcome to the forum from Central Virginia! There are plenty of "fixes" to your Mini to make it closer to a 2 MOA carbine. Search around!

Glad you kept your Mini!
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Mo-rods are pretty danged cheap right now.
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Thanks Kame. That is some impressive improvement on grouping! And i will try those 62s just to see what they do in mine. A lot of great pics of pretty guns on this thread! Inspires me to give the 100 yard range another go. Kame did you chop your own barrel? Threading would be nice too for the muzzle.

That vortex razor (3 moa dot) actually seems to give me better 50 yard groups than the 6-18x bushnell trophy that was on it. It came with that scope, a hard optic for the 188 to live up to. Gave that scope to my brother.

I may not buy another mini, but the one i have is not for sale
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Thanks Kame. That is some impressive improvement on grouping! And i will try those 62s just to see what they do in mine. A lot of great pics of pretty guns on this thread! Inspires me to give the 100 yard range another go. Kame did you chop your own barrel? Threading would be nice too for the muzzle.

That vortex razor (3 moa dot) actually seems to give me better 50 yard groups than the 6-18x bushnell trophy that was on it. It came with that scope, a hard optic for the 188 to live up to. Gave that scope to my brother.

I may not buy another mini, but the one i have is not for sale
Oh no sir, I found this mini as it sits, the barrel was already chopped with the choate flash hider installed and the M1 carbine sight came with it also. I did all the other stuff, probably added up to about 50 bucks worth of upgrades. I already had some old scope rings and the 3x9 bushnell, and that is about as far as I'm gonna push it with a small barrel mini. That 6x18 must have looked gigantic on that little carbine
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Before I installed the accu-strut in my 185 series Mini 14, I probably would not have "bought it again". Ignore the black dots, they were already there before I fired this string at 100 yards with a 5 MOA red dot in about 60 seconds. Before the accu-strut, I doubt I could had done as well at 50yards. Ammo was 55 gr Fiocchi soft point.


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I am really happy with my mini in its' present role of a 50 yard gun / "ar pistol niche." But it would be dumb of me not to spend $150 to cut my groups in half. Even if I don't want an extra half pound of accustrut, I can take it off or put it on as needed. My guess tho, is that once on, it would stay there.

I also mentioned that ATI stock earlier. My one complaint with that would be the plastic rails. My reflex sight came loose on first tests but after tightening seems to be holding fast. A total fail was the UTG barrel mounted rail clamp I tried before the ATI stock. The rail clamp was well made but gave no help with harmonics or whip, so it came off. I tried that clamp in several places on the barrel and grouping was worse than no clamp.

So, Bozz, you are saying that the strut cut your groups down? I have watched Jeff Quinn's review a few times (Gunblast) and he says that the strut only helps with stringing. I generally respect what this guy says. And forgive my not searching - I am sure there are many threads regarding... going....there....now
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Well, it seems to have eliminated the stringing, which in turn reduces the group size.
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Bearzerker, I too have an ATI stock and was turned off with the plastic rails, so I ordered an aluminum set to replace them. It now appears only the top rail is available. You can get it directly from ATI: https://www.atigunstocks.com/strikef...picatinny-rail
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FWIW, and I'm new to the forum, just wanted to say that I really enjoy my Mini 14, and I would buy one again. I'm on my second now, lost the first one in the 80's during hard times, now I have a recent hogue-stocked tactical model. I also own a Colt 6920, but hands down I enjoy my Mini. For myself, being in the Army in the early 70's, we did not really like the M-16, they seemed rickety and toy-like, misfired often on the range (perhaps because they were so old and shot out), plus influenced by the comments from the Vietnam vets who generally disliked them.

(I did't have the knowledge that is common today about issues like magazine related problems, gas ring wear, etc., and later in my career especially after the A2's were issued we felt a bit better about the platform, and they worked fine in Germany.)

In the 76-78 time frame had some '14's in the arms room for ceremonial purposes that our armorer took good care of that looked and felt so nice compared to the '16's.

So for me and a lot of my friends the wood-stocked Mini-14 in the late 70's and early 80's was the sought after go-to gun for pot-shooting and varmint plinking at the county dump and compared to the '16 felt much higher in quality, plus the 20 round mags of the day looked and felt normal and made the '14 viable as a defensive arm. I knew not a soul who bought an AR-15.

Even today, I just love shooting the Mini, I savor every round just for the feel of the Garand-like action as it fires. Family members I take to the range comment that the M-4 shoots very competently but in an antiseptic manner, in comparison the Mini "feels" like shooting a rifle.

BTW I have a Burris AR scope on the Mini and it pops water bottles at 50-75 yards just as well as the M-4.

Barring the zombie apocalypse, the Mini is my shooting preference.
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My brother asked me this very question, I told him to get an AR. I bought my mini14 back when a Colt was $800 and a mini14 was $400. I don't care to shoot semi auto rifles and one mini14 is all I need for various SHTF scenarios. Mine shoots a ragged 20rnd ~2" hole at 50 yards, "very deadly" as my ex-army buddy tells me.
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Old guy Response. I can't say I'd buy again, as I just bought my first stainless with black synthetic stock. I finally got tired of waiting.

Why? I was one of the very last units in the USMC to go through boot camp with an M14. This was July 10, 1973. By the time I graduated, Oct. 10th, the newest MCRD units had M16A1's. OK, I shot 248 on the Rifle range with an M14. The 16 A1's made excellent hoses out to 100 yds until they jammed. And that was in controlled settings. If you wanted to reach out and touch someone, it wasn't happening with a M16 A1. The M16's sucked for air back then and put a bad bad taste in my mouth for the whole platform ever since. I have NEVER lusted after an AR platform weapon. That's all you young guys know. Yes, I know they have improved them etc. blah blah on and on but I grew up without a hand grip and shoot best with a standard stock configuration. Garand action is time tested and all reference the reliability.

In a perfect world, I would get an M1A Scout but at around 1500 bucks, I finally said to heck with waiting and got the mini AND a GP100 4 inch, with mags, and speed loaders for less than the M1A. Round price is quite economical compared to 7.62 NATO. OK, the mini is not a tack driver as so many others have said, but it is very handy, and if we were to experience an SHTF event, I'm ready and having fun while the world holds together. Something I never hear about is the "width" of platforms. Measure top to bottom of the handguard on an AR. Lay down on your belly and imagine yourself under fire, see how handy that hand grip is. Start trying to get a sight picture while under fire with stuff sticking out all over and see how much of YOU is visible compared to a 14 with a 20 round mag in a mini, finding a sight picture and changin em in and out. A straight stick is always better than handgrips imho. You can hug it closer to your body while still effectively in battery with better more accurate response time. I'll change 20's all day to your 30's in that situation and get pieces of you you won't get of me simply cause they are stickin out while you are changin out. I heard Marines talk about this issue and the ungainly nature of the AR platform in Vietnam compared to 14's. Not to mention the reliability issues. Now, these were Marines that had been trained and used 14's and even M1's prior to the "assualt rifle" type weapons so their "muscle memory" wasn't trained for them but there was a lotta hate for the little black rifle back then.

Now, to be honest, the M4 configuration is great in an urban setting and may represent the penultimate use of the AR platform. Well, if we are smart, we won't get in those situations again. I'll head for the hills and already live there if poo hits fan so will have no need for any close quarter advantage. I can get a decent long range bolt action pretty inexpensive if I want to reach out and touch someone. Up close and personal, a mini in 5.56/223 will do just fine. It's the same round, usually the same twist and roughly the same feet per second... I suppose if you never experienced a garand platform as your go to, you might feel different. I'd like to hear from Vets who used both in more recent situations. There do seem to be a lot of other weapons out there in combat videos to compensate for the limitations of the AR platform.

Oh and how many weapons after design are required to have a "fix" built for a known weakness in the system to be required for placing in the field. That would be the forward assist on the AR platform (not in original design) something the army required before they would allow the M16 to be used by troops. So, the primary miltary weapon of the US armed forces for 40 years has a retrofitted engineering fix for a known weakness as a core part of the system like duct tape on a tool issued upon provision cause the tool is a POS. Oh, and another piece stickin out also.

My favorite wiki page quote from the page on the forward assist of the 16 platform, "The forward assist had been implemented in 2007 on the MSAR STG-556, an American-made clone of the Austrian Steyr AUG assault rifle, but the usefulness of such device is questionable, since the design is not normally prone to the malfunction that led to the need of the forward assist in other firearms." LOL... OK, now I'm going to my shelter as I am relatively sure there is incoming.
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Red, thanks for your input, but was a bit confused at first. Your second sentence was:
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I can't say I'd buy again, as I just bought my first stainless with black synthetic stock.
The rest of your wonderful post pretty much laid out the beauty and advantages of the M14-type format (like the Mini-14), rather than an AR.

The original question was generally if you had to do it over again, would you still buy (or buy another) Mini-14.

Just had an epiphany: your operative word was "again"...as it is your first. D'oh!

No sheltering required.

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Old guy Response. I can't say I'd buy again, as I just bought my first stainless with black synthetic stock. I finally got tired of waiting.

Why? I was one of the very last units in the USMC to go through boot camp with an M14. This was July 10, 1973. By the time I graduated, Oct. 10th, the newest MCRD units had M16A1's. OK, I shot 248 on the Rifle range with an M14. The 16 A1's made excellent hoses out to 100 yds until they jammed. And that was in controlled settings.

now I'm going to my shelter as I am relatively sure there is incoming.
When I was a kid growing up one of my dads friends we hunted with was a Vietnam Vet. He use to tell us stories about the horrors of war... From little Vietnamese kids running across rice fields with grenades tied around there necks, to watching his buddies die in fox holes with malfunctioning equipment. He didn't paint a pretty picture.
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Old guy Response. I can't say I'd buy again, as I just bought my first stainless with black synthetic stock. I finally got tired of waiting.

Why? I was one of the very last units in the USMC to go through boot camp with an M14. This was July 10, 1973.
Old dog here. I went through basic (FT Lewis, Washington) and AIT Ft Leonard-wood, MO.) during the M-14 to M-16 transition period in Jan. 70. Had to qualify twice with that "made by Mattel their swell" plastic piece of crap after already qualifying with the M-14 both times. We were some of the very first training units to get it. It was a problem child from day one.

Never cared for the plastic butt stock and recoil spring. In the heat of battle it was another weak point when it came to any hand to hand combat. It didn't hold up well to horizontal butt strokes. Hard to beat a good solid wood stock.

I too live out in the Boondocks and prefer the reach of the 7.62.
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