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Old October 24th, 2015, 07:23 PM   #1
 
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Thinking of buying a 583 series Mini 30 and selling my 183 series

Hi all hope you are all doing well. I have an older model 183 Ruger Mini 30 from the mid nineties early two thousand era etc before the retooling with the thicker barrel. I was thinking of selling it to buy the newer 583 series blued tactical version with the flash suppressor, 16 inch thicker walled barrel, and revised new factory sites. This is a multi part question and I am going to try and post photos of my old rifle.

1. I bought my mini 30 five six years ago because I wanted a good reliable 30 caliber rifle without breaking the bank. The reason I want to upgrade is the newer thicker barrel mini 30s have come down a bit in price since I bought my old model. I have an accutstrut on mine but if there ever was a "Without Rule of Law" scenario I really want my mini 30 to be my go to gun in that case for defensive use. The older thinner barrel has heating issues and I know the newer one is far better for sustained fire in that regards since it's thicker. I do realize that this still won't make a sustained heavy fire rifle which is okay, I just don't want the groupings to open up just after a few shots. I don't need a 9 or 10 pound ak47, I love the ergos of the Mini series and the lower weight.

2. I want the ability to shoot Russian surplus ammo. Yes I'm aware this is a hot button issue and Ruger says 'no steel cased ammo'. Well That's fine I happen to have a few 'hundred' or 'more' rounds of brass cased Yugoslavian rounds with Bredan corrosive primers. I have had good luck shooting these out of my 183 series Ruger without issue though it's been a year or more since it's been on the range.

1120 Round Crate 7.62x39 M67 Non-magnetic Copper FMJ Brass Case Corrosive Yugo Surplus Ammo on SKS Stripper Clips | SGAmmo.com

That's the ammo I have a lot of. I bought mine locally though and I do realize it has the harder corrosive military primers but it's brass cased. Has anyone else bought any of this Yugo ammo with a newer 583 series mini 30? My 183 seemed okay with it, I don't recall ever getting any failure to fires with mine on this ammo and I got a lot of it. This will roll me into my third question.

3. I've seen this suggestion pop up on a few internet searches on how to get the rifle to reliably fire the Berdan primer steel cased ammo. Now for me I will shoot the brass Berdan primer ammo which is okay for me as it's not that much more than the steel Wulf or Tula. And that would be this.
Fixing the Ruger Mini 14/30 Bolt to Shoot Imported Ammunition

And it's not the only place that notates the dimple around the firing pin hole on the bolt.

The above youtube vid covers this subject of firing pin protrusion and the dimpled firing pin hole on the front of the bolt. I never had to do this to my mini 30, again I only shoot brass out of it. Though I like shooting the FAR cheaper Russian brass out of it if you catch my drift ! I love Winchester and Federal etc, except the price in bulk :O !

So that's pretty much it. I wanted to get more people's opinions on this subject matter. I wanted to know if anyone here has tried Russian brass cased surplus with success like me on the older models or newer models. Also was curious if anyone here has tried resurfacing the bolt face to remove the dimple like the two links I posted suggest.

With that said I'm aware of the heavier wolf springs but I read in other articles that it makes the trigger pull worse, plus could damage the firing pin and still not ensure reliable ignition on steel cased Berdan primed Russian rounds. Again for me, I'm fine spending a few extra bucks for the brass Russian surplus rounds. I'll try and take a photo of my current Rifle. I'm probably going to sell it locally. I have my eye one or two auctions on gun broker for lightly used new model Mini 30 rifles that are post retooling. If I do sell my gun I'd put in a factory 20 rounder, possibly 2. Based on gun broker, I think $300 to $400 would be a fair price for it. Not sure I'd list here, probably sell local but who knows?




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Old October 24th, 2015, 08:50 PM   #2
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I have the newer mini-30 and I had to alter the firing pin to get reliable firing with Russian Tula ammo. From the factory the firing pin had only 30 thousand protrusion from the bolt face and most bolt action hunting rifles have 50-55 thousand protrusion for reliable primer ignition.
There is a shoulder on the firing pin about 1/3 distance back from the front. That shoulder was preventing further protrusion. I chucked it in my lathe and using a small fine file set the shoulder back being very careful to maintain the original factory angle. You can use a drill press or even a drill held in a vice to do the same thing, you do not need a lathe.
I now have 50 thousand protrusion and have no problems shooting wolf, golden bear, silver bear Russian ammo. I will still get about one misfire in 40 rounds with Tula ammo that has a extremely hard primer cup to prevent slam fires in AK-47 rifles.
If you do not want to modify your firing pin, just buy the PPU ammo that is brass case and boxer primer and made in Serbia. It is not that expensive. Sportsman's Guide carries it at a very reasonable price. The PPU makes it in both a spitizer 123 gr. softpoint and a 123 grain RN softpoint bullet that would be great for deer or pigs and they make full metal jacket also.
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Thanks for the info, I had good luck with my Yugo made when I last fired it. However, like I wrote it has been a while. I really need to take hundred, hundred twenty of the rounds and send them down range to be sure. I tell you what though, writing this topic has actually inspired me to bring the little carbine out of the corners of my safe, break it down, and clean it. I will look into the Serbian made surplus though. I'm still iffy about upgrading. I really like my mini 30 but the new one with the stock threaded suppressor and thicker barrel is appealing. I made a mistake on my original post, mine is a 197 serial number which makes it one of the last runs before retooling for the newer version. Anyhow here are some photos.



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HBK, I assume you are putting it in the chuck, turning it on and lightly pressing a hand file against it to get it smooth all around. I have a drill press already. If I were to get a new model one, I'd fire it first with my ammo to see if it is an issue. I don't plan on running the really cheap surplus, but the brass stuff instead.

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If you run brass-boxer primed ammo, you should have no problem with misfires. Yes I chucked the firing pin in the lathe jaws to turn it while pressing the fine tooth file on the shoulder to set it back 20 thousands. You will need a mike or calipers to measure the protrusion of the firing pin. Do not exceed 50-55 thousand or you may get pierced primers..
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As it is not easy to get a new factory firing pin, unless you want to send the gun in to Ruger, I would not modify the factory pin. Instead, buy one of the iron Sight precision ones off E-Bay for $38 and modify it. Then you will still have your unmodified factory pin to fall back on.
Ruger Mini 14 Stainless Steel Firing Pin 2470 | eBay
The Iron Sight Precision ones are heat treated stainless steel, and are a bit longer than the factory pin. I have not put rounds through mine yet, but they appear to be a quality product and should hold up better than the Glend Arms aftermarket pin, which seemed to break on everyone after a couple hundred rounds.
My plan is to fit the E-Bay pin for more protrusion, and keep it in the buttstock pouch, along with a spare extractor and cleaning cable, etc.,for SHTF when I might have to use steel case Berdan ammo.
All my firing done with my 2 Mini-30's is done with my handloads. New PPU brass (excellent brass) and either Hornady .310 diameter FMJ's or the SST hunting bullet, driven by 28.6 grains of A2015. That load safely gives 150 fps. more velocity than most 7.62x39 factory ammo, and tuned to my rifles, shoots 1 inch, 5 shot 100 yards groups, give or take an 1/8 inch. I used a 3-9x scope for load testing, but take it off and shoot irons on my wood stocked M-30, and a Burris FF III dot on the stainless one.
Unless you just feel like you have to go out and buy a new Mini, you will not have much of an advantage buying a new Tactical over your older one. The newer rifles are a little heavier barrel beyond the gas block, but all the Mini-30's ever made came with a thicker .625" barrel.
The new models rear sight is better than what you have, but the Tech sight is even better. They will set you back $70, but have better adjustments than the factory peep, and different apertures can be had for them. Many guys buy the Tech sight to replace the ones on their new Mini's.
As far as heat, the struts like you have help with the accuracy, vertical stringing, and help keep the barrel from getting as warm in the first place. Also something that helps is the Ultimak railed handguard. Besides being the best place to mount an optic, out of the way of the action, mounted down nice and low, and allowing great peripheral vision, they also help stiffen the barrel to further aid accuracy, and act as and additional heat sink to spread out the heat from the barrel.
You have a proven rifle in you older Mini, Ruger has had some Q.C. issues in some of the newer ones. I believe Misfire 51 and perhaps Hawkguy have had to send new Mini's back to Ruger to resolve issues.
I have fixed up an older Mini-14 and the 2 Mini-30's, upgraded the sights added a flash hider, strut, and Tech sights, and they shoot wonderfully.
I would keep the older Mini, and just upgrade the sights, smaller gas bushing, etc, and enjoy it.




This way my blued 189 series Mini-30 when I bought it:

I traded the too short older stock for a new style, longer wood stock, replaced the crappy folding sight with a Tech rear, added a Choate flash hider/winged front sight, polished the trigger, put in a small gas bushing and Wilson buffers, found a wood handguard at a gun show, added a Socom Accustrut, and finished all the parts in a Sniper Grey Cerakote. I want to keep this one with more of the M-14/M1A look, hence the wood stock and iron sights. Now it looks like this, and shoots like a dream:

A few months later I found another older 189 series Mini-30, also for $450. This one was a stainless model, also with the short, curved butt plate stock. It has a scope on it here for load testing:

I traded the short LOP wood stock for a new Ruger polymer one ( much lighter!), added a Tech sight, polished the trigger, installed a new Ruger winged front sight, threaded the barrel to 5/8" x 24 TPI for a Ruger flash hider, smaller gas bushing and Wilson buffers, and an Ultimak rail with a Burris fast Fire dot. Only thing left to do to this stainless M-30 is add a Socom Strut, and side mounted Q.D. swivels, then the metal parts will be Cerakoted a dark grey, and the polymer stock a light grey. Now it looks like this, is very light and you can acquire targets way fast with the FF III sight:

Fun projects, and I would put them up against anybody's Mini, ( and most AR's!).

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I guess you all have a good point and thanks again for your ideas about not upgrading vrs upgrading. Also thanks for the tips about quality aftermarket firing pins, I didn't know about that. I assume the bolt it is 100% the same as the Mini14 but I'll take your word for it. I got a few days to think it over anyhow. I need to go to the range soon as is. I just two new 9mm, still waiting to pick up one from my FFL as I got it from gun broker. I'll need to sling a hundred rounds down range with that mini 30. I'm also glad to hear, especially with all the bashing the mini 30 gets on other boards, that I"m not the only crazy person to like it enough to use as a "without rule of law" rifle. It's a very ergonomic gun. I do need to get synthetic stock though for it as that wood, as pretty as it is, is heavy!
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The stainless M-30 with the red dot is what I would grab if SHTF. I have a nice AR-15 and AR-10 but don't like the bulk or way they handle. I think the Mini-30 has the right combination of power and great handling for just about anything. With the SST load, I could shoot a large deer (or elk) if I had too, and rapid target engagement is very good with the FastFire Dot. Battery life is very good with it, well over a year. All my Mini's have the Tech rear sight for backup. I have NEVER had a malfunction with any of My Mini's , but I only use Ruger 20 round ( or 5 round for hunting) magazines. I have no use for aftermarket magazines. Mini's will function with little or no lube or maintenance. Always wise to keep a few spare parts such as an extractor and firing pin in a butt stock pouch. If something did fail, you won't be able to send the rifle back to the factory in a SHTF situation. As much as I like wood stocks, the trimness and light weight of the synthetic stock is growing on me. I just don't care for black stocks, so will blast it and Cerakote it another color, like light grey.
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Sandog has done a lot of work on his Mini 30s and knows of what he speaks.
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Thanks Steve. This forum needs a "like" option !
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Sandog has done a lot of work on his Mini 30s and knows of what he speaks.
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I really like the mini 30's have shot nothing but steel cased ammo from the first day I owned it. Never has a FTF or misfire. Had to Loctite the liner screws in because they kept falling out.
Have one weird thing happening when using the factory 5 round magazines, on the last shot the trigger guard unlocks and drops down
Need to try the factory 20 round and see if the same thing happens.
Bought a new trigger guard recently just have not installed it yet.
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Have one weird thing happening when using the factory 5 round magazines, on the last shot the trigger guard unlocks and drops down
Need to try the factory 20 round and see if the same thing happens.
Bought a new trigger guard recently just have not installed it yet.
The trigger guard lock requires that the tab on the back of the trigger guard be tight against the plate. Likely your trigger guard is a bit sprung from pulling too hard on it to open it when the action wasn't opened. Take the item you use to open the action and use it to slightly bend the guard back in place so it snaps in firmly as it locks. Should fix the issue.
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I'll third this^^^^^^^^

Keep your older series gun. You have it set up nicely. Like a fool I sold my 189 series Mini 30 a few years ago. Missing a Mini I did purchase a 14 a few months ago. Decent gun, but IMO not the fit and finish of the older guns. I got lucky because it shoots well and has a decent trigger along with no issues. I did replace the gas bushing to tame the recoil. When I was shopping for the new Mini I encountered a few beauties that I passed on. One had the gas block screws half unscrewed from the factory. Must have been assembled on a Friday afternoon. You know what you have now. I'd keep the tried and true friend.

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Nice looking Mini Bepe. Those Choate handguards just make the Mini mo'betta. Maybe CoSteve will put up another pic of the Choate he painted brown. Really looks M1A like.
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