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Old December 31st, 2016, 04:18 PM   #106
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Wow! When I started this rant, I never imagined it would hit 100. I think I need a new Mini-14.

In fact, I'm gonna get one, put it on some sandbags, and shoot it until I get sub-1 MOA groups.
My mini 14 target does that all day with a handloaded 40 grain vmax, and can rival or run equal with a few of my high end ar builds. Even though I own many more ar's to mini's I still love my 3, the 88 std, 98 mini 30 and 08 target model. I would not part with them. The 1988 standard is where i got my start. They are the little brothers to my garand, m1a's and m1 carbine. All great rifles.



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I bought this 181 new in the late 70's. I finally put on an Accue-Strut and a Nikon P223 3x9. It shoots good enough for me for a coyote gun. I havent used the gun much, but with the scope and the Accue-Strut I'm sure it will become my new coyote gun.
Hey BigB, wondering if you could give me the spec on how long is the part of the tube that is 1"? It's not in the diagram online and wondering if I can use the rings that came with my new mini. I realize other factors will determine if I need to buy additional hardware, just curious if I could get a head start on planning how to mount.
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Hey BigB, wondering if you could give me the spec on how long is the part of the tube that is 1"? It's not in the diagram online and wondering if I can use the rings that came with my new mini. I realize other factors will determine if I need to buy additional hardware, just curious if I could get a head start on planning how to mount.
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WaltZB, the 1" tube length of the Nikon P223 3X9 is 5-1/2" long
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Went to the range today with the mini14. I ran out of light before I could get the scope zeroed in. I got it fairly close at 100yrds
If you start doing your own reloads, once you get them dialed in you'll see an even bigger improvement in your groups. Mine never did like any factory ammo all that well, military surplus was even worse.
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If you start doing your own reloads, once you get them dialed in you'll see an even bigger improvement in your groups. Mine never did like any factory ammo all that well, military surplus was even worse.
True statement, my standard likes the 75 grain bthps best. The 30 likes the 110vmax best, both handloads.
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My 581 Tactical with a Nikon 3-9x40 BDC is bit over moa@100 yds in Bass Pro Shops rifle tube with 60gr Hornady SP. No target gun but a heck of a lot of fun. Pretty close, but not quite to my Palmetto M4.
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Hello RJF! Not sure if you get a notification on a reply, but here goes. Thanks for the tip on the Tech Sights, I just couldn't get a good focus on the front sight with the Ruger ghost ring, and I was not in love with the adjustment system either that came with the 583 model. I know it's my eyes, but just had trouble with the .135" ghost ring. I have a friend that loves it, so it's just me I guess. Never had the issue with an M14/M1A, M16, or my AR 15 with the .062 (close to thereabouts) aperture. I'm a little nearsighted so I shoot with and without glasses depending on range and target. Now with the Tech Sights, I get a great picture with and without glasses, and can totally enjoy the Ranch rifle. Thanks again and all the best.
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Walz, I'm glad it works for you. There is another member or two on here (COSteve and Sandog) that installed the Tech Sights inserts for even better performance (reduces the aperture a bit). COSteve swears by them, as he uses his irons a lot - particularly at bowling pins at 200-300 yards. And his eyes are older than mine! All sorts of technical optimetric mumbo-jumbo I don't fully understand, but a smaller aperture improves range of focus for your eye so that not only the target, but the front sight is in focus. I wholly trust COSteve's endorsement of these things and, down the road, I may invest in their aperture set. For now, I'm just really enjoying the Tech Sight as is.
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I have two mini's and I am probably more accurate with them than my ar's. My 581 tactical has been reliable shooting anything including cheap steel from day one. My 582 ranch is more accurate I can get 1.5 moa, it did require a trip to ruger for some warranty work as it was a 2013 gun during the ban scare. After that it has been 100% reliable and both guns work very well with aftermarket pro mag magazines, they may be the exception to the rule there though. I have a 3x9 cheap scope on my ranch and just ordered a 1x4 for the tactical. both guns are stock and the only problem I have is getting them out shooting more often.
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RJF and jwolvers, all good and great information here I've wondered about the inserts myself from Tech Sights, but so far doing well with the .062 aperture. I haven't shot the Stag or the M&P since getting the Mini, just a great carbine to shoot!
Is there any way of getting a notification when a new post has been made to a thread on this site? I just happened to check again and saw the new posts.
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Why are folks on gun forums so obsessed over how accurate, or not, the Mini- 14's are? It's really starting to frustrate me. I mean, think about it- the Mini-14 is really a fascinating gun. Ruger takes the legendary Garand action, scales it down a bit, and puts in in a little carbine that's designed to look a lot like an M-14.

They design it to be a "Ranch Rifle." A rugged carbine you can throw in the back of your truck so it's there when you need it. Whether it's a coyote, some feral hogs, a pack of wild dogs, rodents... whatever pest out there that needs to be dispatched, the Mini-14 can be depended on to do the job, and do it well. It is plenty accurate for its intended purpose.

So, why the heck to people insist on bench resting it and keep getting upset when it doesn't shoot dime sized groups in paper at 100 yards!? While it would be nice if they would all do that, that's not what it was designed for. There are plenty of other guns out there that are much better suited for shooting groups than a Mini-14 is.

If I took someone out to eat at an expensive steak house, and they ordered salad for dinner, I wouldn't be very sympathetic to them it they weren't completely satisfied with their meal. While all the food should be good at a good restaurant, salads aren't the reason people go to steakhouses.

I have a couple of theories about this, but I'd like to hear what others say.
Well it doesn't bother me I like my 188 series Ruger Mini-14 Ranch Rifle just fine the only thing I have done on mine is installed a simple barrel strut hoping it might help accuracy but I am happy with what ever results it does to improve it. The Ruger Mini-14 was never really designed for pin point accuracy but it was designed to shoot most of the brands & types of ammo out there thats the way my rifle is. I have heard that AR-15's can be particular to certain types of ammo this is where to me the Mini-14 is a more reliable gun when it comes to ammo. Its a gun designed to go out and have fun with to enjoy still hunt varmints, hogs, rabbits etc!!!
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I have an affinity to the M14 since we still carried them on Navy's MSC ships and trained with them, and the Mini 14 is a wonderfully scaled down carbine version of the M14/M1A. My Stag AR was very picky on ammo until I changed the buffer twice, upgraded the extractor to a BCM and put D ring under the spring. Still won't take steel casings, but no problem with the Mini 14 I got last year. I just love the look and feel of shooting the Mini 14, and the AR's just aren't seeing much daylight. One thing I did change was upgrade to the Tech Sight with RJF's suggestion, much better picture, and click adjustments. As my wife said a while ago, "You know...it just looks like a rifle should".
Not that I care, but it doesn't freak people out that think an AR15 can shoot geostationary satellites down from 22,300 miles away. I do care that I can legally transport through states without worrying about crazy laws that make an AR a felony. With a Mini 14 it's a win win situation.
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There is a basic disconnect between what "combat accurate" and

bench-rest accurate" means.


This.

Away from a bench rest, all that matters is being able to hit vitals/deliver a kill shot. Even 3 MOA us more than adequate to do the job.

I'm all for putting a strut on the Mini, so that it can maintain consistency even as the barrel heats up, but I've never been one to jump down the rabbit hole, and start piling up the mods and accessories on any of my guns. It somewhat appealed to me when I was a youngster, but I grew up, and thank god I didn't have the cash to waste on all that crap when I was young and dumb.

Hell, I keep my Mini in Irons, and the only mod I made outside of a strut, was a little dayglo orange paint to the top of the front sight blade.




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Not accurate, check. Can't shoot steel, check. Can't shoot .556, check. Three strikes and you're out.


You forgot

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Drinks all your beer
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Started the Great Chicago Fire
Cheats on it's taxes


If we're going to make crap up, may as well go big, right?


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I got a 2 inch, 100 yard group from my Mini 14 shooting from a rest. It has a 4 power scope mounted forward of the action. Three of the five shots went into 3/4 inch; I expect the groups to get smaller as I get better.
I don't have a strut because the action has been to 300 Below.
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