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Old December 27th, 2016, 11:31 PM   #91
 
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Well, I know a lot of you love the Mini-14,

but I've had problems since I've gotten it,

with getting on the paper, with iron sights,

at 50 yards. I like Ruger, in general, I've

got a few of them. Say what you want, but

maybe you can explain this accuracy thing

directly to my mini-14.

Because it doesn't understand.



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Old December 28th, 2016, 06:05 AM   #92
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A semi-common problem with NIB Minis is the gap between the top and bottom half of the gas block being uneven. My NIB 583 Mini was visibly off - without me having to use a feeler gauge to check. I knew to look for this thanks to this forum. It really screws up accuracy. Fortunately, it is an easy fix: loosen the four Allen screws/bolts holding it together (9/64"), then tighten using a cross pattern, always checking the uniformity of the gap from side to side and fore-and-aft. A feeler gauge is recommended for this. Doesn't matter how big a gap it is, just that it is even all around. Tighten to around 30 inch-pounds. If you don't have an inch-pound torque wrench, just make it universally tight with an Allen wrench.

It was sloppy assembly work from the factory. Ruger's QC is sometimes hit-or-miss (mine was a "miss"), and not just with Minis.

A new Mini should be at about 2 MOA out of the box. Adding things like an Accustrut generally doesn't improve things much on the newer Minis - other than heat dissipation.

Adding 1911 pistol buffers fore-and-aft of the op rod isn't critical, but makes for a much smoother felt recoil as the op rod isn't slamming metal-to-metal with each violent cycle. There are varying opinions about any accuracy improvement, but most generally don't add them for an accuracy improvement.

Another source for problems is a loose rear sight. Using blue loctite on the screws holding it onto the receiver is generally a good idea.

If your Mini has a factory flash hider, make sure it is tight (there have been a few reports of them being loose from the factory).

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Hey RJF,
Wanted to say thanks for all the tips on the Mini. Retired from 33 years at sea a while ago, and on the Navy's Military Sealift ships, even as captain had to re-qualify in small arms annually and we carried M 14's instead of M4's even today. As I broke the Mini down, it was kind of like coming home even though I've never owned one.
I love my Stag AR too (after changing buffers twice, upgrading extractor spring, and installing D ring under spring) but something just feels different and right about this, so time will tell. Thanks again and all the best.
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Old December 29th, 2016, 06:02 AM   #94
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Walt, there are plenty more tips around this forum.

Welcome back to land! Hopefully you weren't on the Antares during ODS.

In JR ROTC, we fired M1 Garands (and also paraded with them). My freshman year in ROTC, they were swapped with the M-14. Both fine weapons (never much cared for the M16 during my 22+ years in the Army). When I bought my first Mini-14 in 1980, it was - as you say - like coming home.
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Hey RJF, so cool and Thank You for your service!
I did sail in USNS ANTARES but not for DS. Sailed ALGOL for Iraqi Freedom and Cape John, and just realized after 33 years and 80 countries later I need to go through logs or discharges to keep track of trips to sand box and other parts of the world.
Strange thing about the M14 and Garande style of rifle and its draw. Whenever I had force protection teams aboard, they came with SAW's, their own 50 cal MAduece's, and of course M4's or M16's, but they always asked to see and at least handle the M14's. Wish we could have had some live fire exercises, but had to account for every last round of 7.62 so I didn't have to have any discussions with NCIS upon arrival.
I just remembered that in 2007, I had one of the M14's stuck on auto at a shoreside range during qualifications and sailed that way with the rifle, no time to replace and send that M14 for repair. One of the Navy force protection team members loved double duty as a gunsmith and fixed her for me. I can't remember how I came by the extra ammo, but I think one of range masters back in Louisiana fixed me up...pays to pick up for a few beers after hours at the watering hole.
Well that's enough rambling before I start the pirate story about after leaving Pelembang in Sumatra...I'll never forget the time...
All the best and again, Happy New Year!
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Every morning during ODS, the big question was "Where is the Antares?" Kinda like "where's Waldo?" IIRC, she still hadn't gotten to "the box" by the time of victory, so the debate was what to do with her. Seems to me, we just sent her home without unloading.

Spent some time in the Azores operating the ocean port there (late '80s). Mostly contract ROROs (where we couldn't RORO) but had a USNS fuel tanker by once or twice a month to fill up the fuel tanks.
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Walt thanks for your service. I can only imagine the lifetime of stories and brotherhood bonds you have. My son is in the Coast Guard as a port security specialist. We have sat by the campfire and washed down some cold ones while listening to his stories. Please be safe and Happy New Year to all.
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Walt, there are plenty more tips around this forum.

Welcome back to land! Hopefully you weren't on the Antares during ODS.

In JR ROTC, we fired M1 Garands (and also paraded with them). My freshman year in ROTC, they were swapped with the M-14. Both fine weapons (never much cared for the M16 during my 22+ years in the Army). When I bought my first Mini-14 in 1980, it was - as you say - like coming home.
Started out with the M-14 and loved it. The Army could have kept the M-16. Bought my first Mini-14 in 1977 and felt right at home with it. I consider it part of the "family".
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I bought this 181 new in the late 70's. I finally put on an Accue-Strut and a Nikon P223 3x9. It shoots good enough for me for a coyote gun. I havent used the gun much, but with the scope and the Accue-Strut I'm sure it will become my new coyote gun.
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Walt, there are plenty more tips around this forum.

Welcome back to land! Hopefully you weren't on the Antares during ODS.

In JR ROTC, we fired M1 Garands (and also paraded with them). My freshman year in ROTC, they were swapped with the M-14. Both fine weapons (never much cared for the M16 during my 22+ years in the Army). When I bought my first Mini-14 in 1980, it was - as you say - like coming home.
Thanks for your service, to this Country and a couple of good forums...
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Wow! When I started this rant, I never imagined it would hit 100. I think I need a new Mini-14.

In fact, I'm gonna get one, put it on some sandbags, and shoot it until I get sub-1 MOA groups.
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I bought this 181 new in the late 70's. I finally put on an Accue-Strut and a Nikon P223 3x9. It shoots good enough for me for a coyote gun. I havent used the gun much, but with the scope and the Accue-Strut I'm sure it will become my new coyote gun.
Went to the range today with the mini14. I ran out of light before I could get the scope zeroed in. I got it fairly close at 100yrds
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Ditto, I agree, time to add another Mini!

BigB: That is very respectable. Your 181 has a 1:10 barrel twist, so you should stick with bullet weights below 65gr or so normally. The 55gr you are shooting is fine. As is your shooting! Check to see the strut hasn't worked loose. If you followed the instructions, you should be good to go.
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Every morning during ODS, the big question was "Where is the Antares?" Kinda like "where's Waldo?" IIRC, she still hadn't gotten to "the box" by the time of victory, so the debate was what to do with her. Seems to me, we just sent her home without unloading.

Spent some time in the Azores operating the ocean port there (late '80s). Mostly contract ROROs (where we couldn't RORO) but had a USNS fuel tanker by once or twice a month to fill up the fuel tanks.
So you're thinking, how do these chuckle heads misplace a 956 foot ship? LOL! Comms were the bane of my existence, and then to add insult, an Admiral decided the contract grayhulls didn't need a radio officer around 2001, the captain could do it all in his spare time. The pm1 ships had six ro's.
All that aside, just wanted to thank everyone for the tips, advice, and posting your experiences as well. Here's to a Happy and healthy New Year!
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Walt, we had good updates each night (I was on the night shift), and that was the question each and every morning when we briefed the 3rd Army G4. Every stinkin' morning! She had some critical cargo on board, although "critical" is a relative term since we seemed to do alright without her...

I don't recall how many breakdowns she had, but it seemed 24 hours didn't go by before something else broke and she had to lay up in another port for repairs.

Happy New Year to you, too. Be safe. "Talk" to you next year...

Ditto: if this thread gets to 200 posts, are you going to buy yet another Mini-14?
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