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This is a discussion on Mini 14 Accuracy Rant within the Ruger Semi-Auto forums, part of the Rifle & Shotgun Forum category; Originally Posted by sav250 I put a Trijicon Accupoint Red 3-9X atop mine using the rail mount supplied by Ruger instead of the integral rings. ...


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Old September 15th, 2014, 11:04 PM   #46
 
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I put a Trijicon Accupoint Red 3-9X atop mine using the rail mount supplied by Ruger instead of the integral rings. Sighting in was just a click or two sideways only. The rail mount allows the scope to be mounted LOWER than the integral scope rings. Also, the rail mount is light compared to those massive rings Ruger supplies that are too heavy and too high for the compact Mini 14 Ranch Rifle.

No jams at all and compared to one of my three M4s (2 Colt LEs and 1 old Windham Bushmaster) I prefer the Mini 14.

Fact is when the M16 was made in the Vietnam era the cost of putting that plastic gun together was very low in mass production which is ideal for arming an army. But to me the accuracy of a 16" M4 barrel with a flash suppressor is the same. The M 16 is accurate but not that accurate in the M4 configuration compared to the Mini 14.

Mine shoots both .223 and 5.56mm. I never use cheap ammunition which leaves out steel case Wolf stuff.

I bought 4 extra 30 round magazines (Ruger Brand) and feel better with the Mini 14 in a firefight than an M4 type semi auto.
Most current DI AR15s can shoot a five shot 1" group or less. Many shorter barreled uppers shoot better than that especially with free float hand guards. Today's AR 15s are far different performers than yesteryears spoters and 1:14 twist M16s. On many guns the Smith Vortex flash eliminator actually improves accuracy. I am glad though you found what works for you. Its kind of like finding the shotgun that fits and swings right for the avid scattergunner.



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Old September 23rd, 2014, 12:11 PM   #47
 
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I'm in the market for a new carbine and the accuracy is the deal breaker for me. I'm definitely a piston driven carbine fan but just can't see paying that much for a rifle that can't do constant less than two moa groups out of the box at 100 yards. I will be using it as a plinker and squirrel gun. The more accurate the gun the less accurate I have to be.
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I'm in the market for a new carbine and the accuracy is the deal breaker for me. I'm definitely a piston driven carbine fan but just can't see paying that much for a rifle that can't do constant less than two moa groups out of the box at 100 yards. I will be using it as a plinker and squirrel gun. The more accurate the gun the less accurate I have to be.
So... how far away are these squirrels going to be that you intend to vaporize with your .223 carbine?

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Usually around 50-75 yards away. A bit too far for the .22. Oh, these are pest squirrels so I don't plan on eating the pieces.

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Joewisc probably has an AR something or other but no experience with the mini...may be just repeating something he heard. Regarding steel cases; I wouldn't feed a steady diet to my rifles because I like them too much to abuse them in such a fashion but it darn sure will shoot it. Come on back Joe, we ain't hatin', we're just sayin'!
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Usually around 50-75 yards away. A bit too far for the .22. Oh, these are pest squirrels so I don't plan on eating the pieces.
Um... Mike. "Back in the day," when boys were given .22 rifles when they got old enough, that's what they did with them. They plinked, and they shot at small critters. If you couldn't hit a rabbit or squirrel at 50-75 yards with your .22, you were sure to bring on lots of scoffing and derision from your peers.

I guess, though, if you're just trying to blow them up, a .223 will certainly do the trick. I'm pretty sure, though, that the even the aperture sights supplied on a Mini-14 would make it pretty easy to obliterate rabbits and squirrels at the distances you have in mind. Put a 2-7 scope on it, and you should be able to do it with one hand tied behind your back.

We are fortunate to live in these times, as we have lots of choices. A Mini-14 and an AR will both do what you are asking them to do, but each has its own personality, as well as its own strengths and weaknesses.
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At 75yds with a 45-55grain soft point or hollow point .223 out of a Ranch rifle's 18.5" barrel, a little ol' squirrel is going to vanish in a puff of red mist
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Not to get off topic but what's the point of being able to hit 2" moa at 300-400 yds unless you live in the desert? Here in the Carolinas there are trees everywhere. Our open lands are full of trees. You'd be lucky to come across more than 50 yds of just clearing here where I live. Shooting anything beyond that and you're going to be hitting trees. I always hear about the mini 14 being a shtf rifle for when things go bad, and then I hear complaints about how at the longer distances it doesn't seem as accurate. Well where I live it wouldn't even matter unless you plan to hit something hiding behind a few pine trees.
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If accuracy isn't important to you why didn't you buy a SKS they were much cheaper than a mini 30.
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"Only Accurate Rifles are Interesting" -- Townsend Whelen

Did I mention I love Mini threads. It is almost as good a politics and really should be relegated to the Minefield.

"Only accurate rifles are interesting" -- Townsend Whelen

I agree with Mr. Whelen. That is why even though my Mini-30 was dead on 1st shot (took my first Javalina at 100 yards on the run with it when the Mini was stock) the follow up shots were awful. A trip to Accuracy Systems solved that problem years ago and I have a 1 MOA rifle that is as rugged as the factory version, but accurate as well. The problem with the stock barrel is that when it heats up it moves around A LOT.

So, why not have the best of both worlds and get your Ranch Rifle to do what it is capable of and put a decent barrel on it. Why Ruger hasn't done this is beyond me as the strut thing is just a crutch IMHO.

If you're OK with the groups that come from your stock gun, more power to you, but as others have said when an AR for a little more $$ is so much more accurate, you have to ask what the Mini-14 is for. Why didn't Ruger "fix" the Mini instead of introducing the SR556? Don't ask me, but my stock SR556 is 1 MOA (with reloads) and I don't own a Mini-14.
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Did I mention I love Mini threads. It is almost as good a politics and really should be relegated to the Minefield.

"Only accurate rifles are interesting" -- Townsend Whelen

I agree with Mr. Whelen. That is why even though my Mini-30 was dead on 1st shot (took my first Javalina at 100 yards on the run with it when the Mini was stock) the follow up shots were awful. A trip to Accuracy Systems solved that problem years ago and I have a 1 MOA rifle that is as rugged as the factory version, but accurate as well. The problem with the stock barrel is that when it heats up it moves around A LOT.

So, why not have the best of both worlds and get your Ranch Rifle to do what it is capable of and put a decent barrel on it. Why Ruger hasn't done this is beyond me as the strut thing is just a crutch IMHO.

If you're OK with the groups that come from your stock gun, more power to you, but as others have said when an AR for a little more $$ is so much more accurate, you have to ask what the Mini-14 is for. Why didn't Ruger "fix" the Mini instead of introducing the SR556? Don't ask me, but my stock SR556 is 1 MOA (with reloads) and I don't own a Mini-14.
You hit the nail on the head. The Mini could be a very great platform if Ruger would just put a little more into it. Until they do, I'll stick with my ARs, all of which are 1"moa or less right out of the box.
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Did I mention I love Mini threads. It is almost as good a politics and really should be relegated to the Minefield.

"Only accurate rifles are interesting" -- Townsend Whelen

I agree with Mr. Whelen. That is why even though my Mini-30 was dead on 1st shot (took my first Javalina at 100 yards on the run with it when the Mini was stock) the follow up shots were awful. A trip to Accuracy Systems solved that problem years ago and I have a 1 MOA rifle that is as rugged as the factory version, but accurate as well. The problem with the stock barrel is that when it heats up it moves around A LOT.

So, why not have the best of both worlds and get your Ranch Rifle to do what it is capable of and put a decent barrel on it. Why Ruger hasn't done this is beyond me as the strut thing is just a crutch IMHO.

If you're OK with the groups that come from your stock gun, more power to you, but as others have said when an AR for a little more $$ is so much more accurate, you have to ask what the Mini-14 is for. Why didn't Ruger "fix" the Mini instead of introducing the SR556? Don't ask me, but my stock SR556 is 1 MOA (with reloads) and I don't own a Mini-14.
Huh? Um... it's a ranch rifle. I'm pretty sure Ruger has made it pretty clear what it's for. If you use it for what it's for, it does its job really well.

It's NOT meant to:

1. Look tactical
2. Shoot dime-sized groups from a benchrest
3. Stay accurate during multiple 30-round mag dumps
4. Replace an AR or AK

It's garand style action is inherently reliable. It stays clean, and is easy to clean when it does get dirty. It's a lot more "stealthy" than an AR or an AK. To the average person, it's just another hunting rifle, and unlikely to scare anyone.
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with my 582 series and a 20 round mag, I can ring a 9 inch metal plate at 300 yards, 20 out of 20 times. I have numerous witnesses from our club that can attest to this. This is open sight, using an after market ghost ring rear sight.

That said, the mini isn't intended to be a target rifle. It's meant for quick work on pests, whether 4 legged or 2 legged.

And if it will hit a 9 inch plate at 300 yards, you can pretty well take of business with it!
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with my 582 series and a 20 round mag, I can ring a 9 inch metal plate at 300 yards, 20 out of 20 times. I have numerous witnesses from our club that can attest to this. This is open sight, using an after market ghost ring rear sight.

That said, the mini isn't intended to be a target rifle. It's meant for quick work on pests, whether 4 legged or 2 legged.

And if it will hit a 9 inch plate at 300 yards, you can pretty well take of business with it!
Thank you. You make my original point much better than I was able to make it.
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