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Old September 14th, 2014, 04:20 AM   #16
 
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Okay, as I said in my post to start this thread, I do have a theory on all this. It's actually a two part-er.

1. First, I'm pretty sure the reason for the popularity of benchrest shooting is that for a lot of folks, it's what they're stuck with. As America becomes more urbanized, fewer and fewer shooters have access to places where they can use guns for the purposes the manufacturer originally intended.

If all you have available for shooting is a range where they make you shoot at paper from benches, well, then the only way to measure your shooting is to try to shoot smaller groups.

Problem is, benchrest rifles in general are not always the coolest things out there. Your typical Anschutz .22 is not likely to win any beauty contests. Some modern benchrest rigs look down-right weird if you ask me. Folks tend to want to buy cool guns, and I can't blame 'em. But when you buy, say, a 10/22, a rifle that was designed for plinking and shooting rabbits and squirrels, and start benchresting it for groups, you suddenly find out it lacks a lot compared to that boring old Anschutz.

2. That brings me to the second part. Folks are stuck shooting at paper at ranges, and they naturally want to get better results, i.e., smaller and more consistent groups. The problem, I think, is too many people get way too hung up on the tools they are using, and don't put nearly enough emphasis on the skill involved.

A guy on another forum has an excellent thread involving upgrading 10/22's. He bought two of them, and did modifications to them one at a time while he measured the improvement, if any, of the changes he made to the rifles.

During this process, he seemed to come to a very important realization, one that he mentions several times thoughout the thread: the shooter's skill, even in benchrest shooting, is the most important factor of all. He did a lot of shooting during his tests, and he got better at it as he went along. He had good days and bad days at the range, and he came to understand that he was a very important factor in results he acheived.

I fear that too many shooters worry far too much about the gear and the ammo than they do about their own shooting skills. Our ancestors on the American frontier did not have scopes or timney triggers, or modern ammunition. They didn't have cold hammer forged barrels, and they didn't have Q, or W, or whomever, to send their bolts to to be re-worked. Yet they figured out how to shoot the guns they had available to them well enough to put meat on the table to keep their families from starving.

We have a lot of cool stuff available to us to help us to shoot well, and we should use it. But we also should keep in mind that we as shooters are more important than any of the tools we are using when we want to shoot accurately.



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I think your theory is sound...oftentimes skill is overlooked with all the gadgets available to us that help to make us better shooters. I get frustrated defending the mini 14 against the expert marksmen. It's my favorite gun of all I own, am confident in it's ability to hit where it's aimed, has proven reliable in the time I've had it and is the perfect (for me) carbine I have found so far, which is not to say their isn't a comparable or better one out there...mine is plenty accurate for the type shooting I do or expect to do.
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Not accurate, check. Can't shoot steel, check. Can't shoot .556, check. Three strikes and you're out.
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I have some very accurate bolt action rifles in Remington, Weatherby, etc. I also have a mini-14 that I just enjoy milking all the accuracy that is possible out of this little carbine, whether it be hunting coyotes, or bench resting, or simply target shooting at paper plates. What is really neat about this country, is I still have the option to do just about any thing I please with this little carbine. So far I do get moa out of my 186, but granted I did have to do quite a few modifications, which I enjoyed immensely, and reloading a cartridge, that the rifle definitely prefers. I have no problem with those of you who are satisfied with mediocrity when shooting such a fine little carbine, however, I still remember an old mentor of mine telling me, "good, better, best, never let it rest, until the good, is better, and the better, is best". JMHO
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Not accurate, check. Can't shoot steel, check. Can't shoot .556, check. Three strikes and you're out.
Mine is accurate, can shoot steel and can shoot 5.56...what do you mean Joe?
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Now that sounds like a good video. Target model? Configuration? And call reliable 6 out of 10? And it has to be hits on the clay not from dirt and rock spray. If you could do it with a stock mini 14 I bet Ruger would buy the rights to the video.

I know there are a few out there that shoot that well. I have seen a mini 30 that will put 5 rounds into 2" at 100 yards.
Sorry don't have video camera. No its not target model. It's a 185 series with a strut, Tech Sight rear sight, John Masen front sight that I've thinned down. It does its best with heavy bullets, probably due to the 1 in 7 twist.
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Not accurate, check. Can't shoot steel, check. Can't shoot .556, check. Three strikes and you're out.
Yes Joe, please explain. Mine shoots steel and 5.56 just fine. Unless you mean steel cased ammo. I don't put that stuff in any of my guns anywho.
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I think the sometimes problematic angled lug of the 77 reciever, the period of time Ruger outsourced their barrels and the heavy lawyer trigger years really hurt them in creating that reputation. They have been working to change that though.
I've read that in one of the gun rags years ago, but it never showed in either of my M77s 280Rem & 338Win. 10/22 is really accurate too.
All of mine were made in the 80s. When did they start using heavy triggers? Haven't measured them but mine feel fine.
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Not accurate, check. Can't shoot steel, check. Can't shoot .556, check. Three strikes and you're out.
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I have some very accurate bolt action rifles in Remington, Weatherby, etc. I also have a mini-14 that I just enjoy milking all the accuracy that is possible out of this little carbine, whether it be hunting coyotes, or bench resting, or simply target shooting at paper plates. What is really neat about this country, is I still have the option to do just about any thing I please with this little carbine. So far I do get moa out of my 186, but granted I did have to do quite a few modifications, which I enjoyed immensely, and reloading a cartridge, that the rifle definitely prefers. I have no problem with those of you who are satisfied with mediocrity when shooting such a fine little carbine, however, I still remember an old mentor of mine telling me, "good, better, best, never let it rest, until the good, is better, and the better, is best". JMHO
LN, if you buy a firearms and then work on "accurizing" it because it's something you want to do, and something you get satisfaction and enjoyment from, then more power to you. That's a big thing that shooting is all about.

My frustration is with those who buy a Mini and then rip on it if it's not a world class bench rest gun.
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The mini is great depending on the purpose you intend to use it for, but it's no squirrel shooter at 200 yards.
Heck, I can't even see a squirrel at 200 yards, much less shoot it!
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It drove me nuts that I couldn't keep 7 out of 10 shots on a paper plate at 100 yards.
Sounds like a personal problem to me...

My Mini's do far better.
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I've never had anything bad to say about my Mini. Always goes bang, never lets me down. I did not buy it thinking it was going to be a tack driver. I got it because it is a darn fun rifle! Even with my old, worn out eyes, I can still hit a paper plate at 100 yds all day long. For me, that is just plain old fun.
Yeah, this little Ranch Rifle is perfect for its name and for what it is best used for. Never missed a coyote or anything else that needed shooting around here. Great little gun. If I could still see 300 yards, I might want to pull something else out of the vault. I agree with your comments.

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Never missed a coyote or anything else that needed shooting around here.
Remind me not to come around.


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BTW, Re your avatar, glad to see an old friend and classmate from fifty years ago. Haven't talked to him since he became famous. Great guy, too.
Folks around San Antone probably wouldn't be able to agree with that last part. Since he became famous, he hasn't talked to common folk much either.
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Not accurate, check. Can't shoot steel, check. Can't shoot .556, check. Three strikes and you're out.
I'm not sure Joe is going to come back and address this interesting post. My mini-14 can certainly shoot steel case ammo (although I rarely run that garbage in any of my guns), and is fed a steady diet of 556. As for accuracy, that's subjective. But the mini 14 does well for me for its intended purposes.

I don't think Joe is familiar with the Mini 14.
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