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Old August 25th, 2012, 09:52 PM   #16
 
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In my brief ownership with the SR-22 I had the same problems that you describe. Not my grip, (I had five other fellas from my club try it with the exact same results), not the ammo, (7 different kinds/styles with exact same results) Ended up trading it in for a Walther P-22 that never had one single hiccup in over 3000 rounds & counting. I'm sure there's only a small amount of SR-22's that have these particular issues but none the less, the Walther has been flawless & it even got the edge on the Ruger for accuracy. I'm sure this isn't exactly the answer you were looking for but it's what worked for me.



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Old August 25th, 2012, 11:29 PM   #17
 
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If you can, get someone else to fire the pistol for you - using same ammo, etc. It would eliminate the "you" factor.
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My first question would be are you getting a good hold on the gun? Many problems with semi-auto pistols start with the user too soft of a hold on the gun, resulting in the recoil of the gun that is needed to cycle the slide being instead absorbed/transferred to the shooter's lax grip.
I believe that is a myth..the gun should cycle with just thumb and forefinger..

A weak grip will only produce wild POI.
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Excellent advice. Whatever you do you must remove "you" from the equation. Good luck. My little Ruger eats every kind of ammo I feed it.
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I believe that is a myth..the gun should cycle with just thumb and forefinger..

A weak grip will only produce wild POI.
It is no myth Sir.
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It is no myth Sir.
OK then. Just now loaded my Ruger Standard, went outside, held with only thumb and forefinger (had to hold upside-down) and fired into my dirt bank and it cycled.

Nuff said???
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OK then. Just now loaded my Ruger Standard, went outside, held with only thumb and forefinger (had to hold upside-down) and fired into my dirt bank and it cycled.

Nuff said???
Limp wristing does play a part in the process. Using good quality ammo with enough muzzle energy negates some limp wrist effects. What ammo were you using?
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OK then. Just now loaded my Ruger Standard, went outside, held with only thumb and forefinger (had to hold upside-down) and fired into my dirt bank and it cycled.

Nuff said???
It's funny that after I made that post, I began to wonder what handgun would fire reliably without being properly held, and instantly pictured the MK series gun.

You are talking about a gun with what is most likely, the lightest weight bolt/slide weight ratio in existence. The other end of the spectrum would be something such as a Desert Eagle, which has a massive slide/bolt weight ratio.
While not a mechanical engineer myself, I do consider myself at least fairly knowledgeable but I am sure there are others here than could give more technical detail on the subject.

Over the years, I have personally seen many people have failures directly caused by limp wristing pistols, and seen those issues in turn cured by instructing them in taking a proper hold of the gun.

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Limp wristing does play a part in the process. Using good quality ammo with enough muzzle energy negates some limp wrist effects. What ammo were you using?
Some old RWS copper washed hollow points.

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It's funny that after I made that post, I began to wonder what handgun would fire reliably without being properly held, and instantly pictured the MK series gun.

You are talking about a gun with what is most likely, the lightest weight bolt/slide weight ratio in existence. The other end of the spectrum would be something such as a Desert Eagle, which has a massive slide/bolt weight ratio.
While not a mechanical engineer myself, I do consider myself at least fairly knowledgeable but I am sure there are others here than could give more technical detail on the subject.

Over the years, I have personally seen many people have failures directly caused by limp wristing pistols, and seen those issues in turn cured by instructing them in taking a proper hold of the gun.
I'm glad that you are taking a reasonable and sensible approach to the subject.

I will do further research into this matter.

Regards.

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I think any semi-auto will cycle, single shot only. If one inserts a loaded mag, then you may encounter stove pipes and other mals, but the gun wants to cycle.

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Many thanks to all of you who have given me help. I especially appreciate the post about guns not liking ammo. I will apologize in advance for the long post, but here is how it went yesterday.
Had two RSO,s both excellent competitors fire this gun.

I tried someFederal bulk. Out of 5 magazines, 10 rounds each, I had this.
# 1 Round 2 & 3 fail to feed, 4-10 ok
#2 rounds2 &3 FT feed the rest ok
#3 round 3 FT feed the rest ok #4 4,5,6 FT feed rest ok # 5 round 2 FT feed rst ok

Remington Mag # 1 10 rounds ok; mag 2 5; 7,8 FT feed, and # mag 3 all 10ok.

Tried 15 rounds of Federal Lightning, 10 rounds PMC all fine.

I think you guys nailed it, certain ammo simply will not work. Is this correct?
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It's funny that after I made that post, I began to wonder what handgun would fire reliably without being properly held, and instantly pictured the MK series gun.

You are talking about a gun with what is most likely, the lightest weight bolt/slide weight ratio in existence. The other end of the spectrum would be something such as a Desert Eagle, which has a massive slide/bolt weight ratio.
While not a mechanical engineer myself, I do consider myself at least fairly knowledgeable but I am sure there are others here than could give more technical detail on the subject.

Over the years, I have personally seen many people have failures directly caused by limp wristing pistols, and seen those issues in turn cured by instructing them in taking a proper hold of the gun.
I believe that a good functioning semi-auto will cycle just fine (2 or 3 finger grip) with a single round, no mag.

Insert a loaded mag and now many other factors can influence the cycling. The pistol wants to cycle. Limp wristing is one factor that may prevent reliable operation. And there are several others that cause mals.
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Many thanks to all of you who have given me help. I especially appreciate the post about guns not liking ammo. I will apologize in advance for the long post, but here is how it went yesterday.
Had two RSO,s both excellent competitors fire this gun.

I tried someFederal bulk. Out of 5 magazines, 10 rounds each, I had this.
# 1 Round 2 & 3 fail to feed, 4-10 ok
#2 rounds2 &3 FT feed the rest ok
#3 round 3 FT feed the rest ok #4 4,5,6 FT feed rest ok # 5 round 2 FT feed rst ok

Remington Mag # 1 10 rounds ok; mag 2 5; 7,8 FT feed, and # mag 3 all 10ok.

Tried 15 rounds of Federal Lightning, 10 rounds PMC all fine.

I think you guys nailed it, certain ammo simply will not work. Is this correct?
Just buy winchester M22 ammo and call it a day lol. It's the only quality budget .22 ammo i've seen work absolutely perfect on both SR22 and P22. Even with kids shooting them.

CCI Velocitors and Stingers work perfect as well.... but they're too expensive to plink with.
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I don't have an SR-22, but I have read that a lot of folks "break in" new .22's of all kinds by putting CCI ammo through them. Mini-mags should be fine if you don't want to buy velicitors or stingers.

SR-22's have a reputation for eating anything you put in them, but Ruger has increased their production 10-fold during 2012 and I suppose there are bound to be some hiccups in quality control.

I suspect that once you have a few more rounds through your gun, it will fire almost anything.
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I've found even the LCP needs a good grip to fire properly. As for Federal bulk I haven't had that great of luck with it either and I've put a bunch of rounds through my SR22? I shoot like I mean it and they just FTF or you have to manually eject?
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