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Old June 7th, 2012, 03:50 AM   #1
 
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22/45 w/rails - Red Dot or Scope?

We just got a MK III as a first time owner of any type of gun - for target and plinking. Nothing serious. Will probably be only very occasional users - but one never knows!

Anyway, looking for decent (cheap) recommendations on a scope or red dot sight. Since it already has rails (and no sights), this is the first thing to add to have any chance of hitting a target.

We're looking at something like -

http://www.amazon.com/Tasco-30mm-Rif...ef=pd_sbs_sg_6

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Amazon.com: BARSKA Red Dot 30mm Riflescope: Sports & Outdoors

There are literally hundreds of these things. Do all of them fit on the stock Picatinny rails?

Or is an optical only scope a better idea? We would always shoot in daylight/bright sun. Probably like to have usability to at least 100 yards....200 yards would be awesome.

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Old June 7th, 2012, 04:32 AM   #2
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Welcome to the forums! Lots of good folks here and a ton of great information. Stick around a while and get to know us!

Also, I must warn you. Rugers are like Lays Potato Chips. You can't have just one.

In regards to your question, I shoot my 22/45 Mark III Hunter with an UltraDot on it. That might be out of your price range ($169 I think) so of the two that you linked to above, I would go with the Tasco. A lot of Walmarts stock that particular model and it seems to be popular. I have first-hand experience with it and it works well. A good friend of mine and shooting buddy had one on his Mark II and it shot well. The only negative is that the dot is not the most precise dot you'll find, but for plinking it should be fine.

As far as distance is concerned, red dots are typically good for 50 yards or under in my experience. They can be used at 100 or 200 yards, but the MOA ends up being your enemy. The Tasco has a 5 MOA dot. At 100 yards a 5 MOA dot will appear to be 5". So if you were shooting a 5" circular target at 100 yards, the dot would cover it completely. At 200 yards a 5 MOA dot will be 10" so it will cover a large paper target easily.

Also, shooting with a red dot at these distances doesn't offer you any magnification so it would be hard to see your target to begin with.

You might consider something like this: Amazon.com: BSA 2-7X28 Edge Series Pistol Scope: Sports & Outdoors rather than a red dot. It will give you some optical advantage and the reticle is more precise for long-range work.

Personally, if I weren't hunting with my 22 (which I don't), I'd just go with the Tasco and keep it out to 50 yards or less. A lot of times at the farm or the outdoor range with buddies, we'll just throw a couple of cans out in the field or gravel or whatever and plink at them until we can't hit them anymore and then throw another one out there.

Good luck and let us know if you need anything. Like I said, lots of great minds here.

Someone else feel free to chime in on this if I missed anything.
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Heymatthew covered it well, as usual, but here's another red dot to consider. I have been using the Bushnell TRS-25 on some of my rimfire Rugers and like it very much for its small size and light weight. It won't change the balance on your MK at all.

Adding pistol scopes adds magnification. That helps to see the target, better, yes, but it also magnifies all your shakes and wiggles, so it does take some getting used to. A scoped pistol is definitely harder to use than one without, but a red dot is as steady as iron because there is no magnification. For the use you describe, I think a red dot would be ideal.
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Heymatthew covered it well, as usual, but here's another red dot to consider. I have been using the Bushnell TRS-25 on some of my rimfire Rugers and like it very much for its small size and light weight. It won't change the balance on your MK at all.

Adding pistol scopes adds magnification. That helps to see the target, better, yes, but it also magnifies all your shakes and wiggles, so it does take some getting used to. A scoped pistol is definitely harder to use than one without, but a red dot is as steady as iron because there is no magnification. For the use you describe, I think a red dot would be ideal.
Good recommendation! I forgot about the TRS-25. A VERY fine red dot for the money. It is definitely light weight and well-balanced. Also, the dot on the TRS-25 is far more precise than that of the Tasco or Barska variety.

I had the TRS-25 and the dot on it was very round and sharp with very little halo effect. The Tasco that I had, while good enough for plinking, didn't have a perfectly round dot and there was some extra haloing around it. It didn't make it hard to use, but it was noticeable when I went up to a more expensive dot.

Do the Bushnell for sure if you can swing the extra cash.

Also good advice about the magnification.
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I have two MkIIIs, an all SS MKIII and a MKIII 22/45. I personally have red dots on both, because I'm not shooting out to 50 yards with them, maybe to 20 yards at the most. I'm also not looking to drill 5 shots into a quarter sized area. I'm more interested in getting on target fast from a ready position and maintaining a consistent group placement. My other concern was the weight and the added bulk of a scope. It's really based on what you intend to do with it. If you're shooting long range 50+ yards, you'll want a scope so you can get the magnification. 15 yards or less, I'd say a red dot. But that's just me. :P
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OK thanks everyone - for now we just will try the Tasco Red Dot - Found a new/open box one on Amazon for $25 SHIPPED so can't lose on resale!

Once we get a sense of how it performs, we'll revisit this and likely upgrade down the road - but this will get us started. In the end for just plinking around it might be perfectly fine too.

Thanks again!

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Heymatthew covered it well, as usual, but here's another red dot to consider. I have been using the Bushnell TRS-25 on some of my rimfire Rugers and like it very much for its small size and light weight. It won't change the balance on your MK at all.

Adding pistol scopes adds magnification. That helps to see the target, better, yes, but it also magnifies all your shakes and wiggles, so it does take some getting used to. A scoped pistol is definitely harder to use than one without, but a red dot is as steady as iron because there is no magnification. For the use you describe, I think a red dot would be ideal.
I recently put a trs-25 on and love it, it's on a 22/45 lite and you can hardly tell any difference in the balance. I am thinking of one for my competition slab side. I have a Bushnell Trophy and like the TRS-25 better because of the weight.
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For an entry level scope the TRS-25 is a good one.
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This makes me ask: what realistically is the range of any .22LR handgun even with the best optics in the world?

I'd be curious as to what's the typical range & the absolute maximum range everyone here has ever shot a .22 handgun.

200 yards sounds like something reserved for .460 Magnums mounted on a tripod that takes the 'hand' out of handgunning.

Having a MatchDot ($200) mounted on my MKIII with Leupold quick detach rings ($60) I know how expensive & heavy & bulky things can get. The steel rings weight as much as my red dot & bring the gun's total weight up to a whopping 3 pounds 5 ounces. It's heavier than the hand cannon Dirty Harry packed!

The much smaller, lighter, & less costly TRS-25 for about $75 certainly looks appealing for the next gun I want to put a red dot upon.
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This makes me ask: what realistically is the range of any .22LR handgun even with the best optics in the world?

I'd be curious as to what's the typical range & the absolute maximum range everyone here has ever shot a .22 handgun.

200 yards sounds like something reserved for .460 Magnums mounted on a tripod that takes the 'hand' out of handgunning.

Having a MatchDot ($200) mounted on my MKIII with Leupold quick detach rings ($60) I know how expensive & heavy & bulky things can get. The steel rings weight as much as my red dot & bring the gun's total weight up to a whopping 3 pounds 5 ounces. It's heavier than the hand cannon Dirty Harry packed!

The much smaller, lighter, & less costly TRS-25 for about $75 certainly looks appealing for the next gun I want to put a red dot upon.
I keep my plinking at under 50 yards. I've never felt the need to go out to 100 or 200 yards. Couldn't see that far if I did without magnification and even then, I'd probably need some kind of spotting scope. Unless you're shooting from a vise or a very sturdy rest and you are taking multiple seconds between shots, I'd say it would be hard to remain consistent at 100 or 200 yards with a handgun. I'm not saying it can't be done, but it would be tricky.

Realistically, I'd say 10-40 yards is where I tend to shoot my 22/45 Mark III Hunter with the UltraDot. Outside of that and I'll bust out the 10/22 with 3-9 power scope. That gets me out to the 100 yard mark pretty accurately and that's all I need for pushing rocks around or whatever.
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