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Old March 23rd, 2012, 02:43 PM   #1
 
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SR22 Failure to Feed issues... constant

Today I took my new SR22 to the range for the first time. I started out shooting 100 rds of CCI Mini-Mags to break it first, and then moved onto cheaper Federal bulk ammo (the Champion 525 rd boxes).

The SR22 chewed up and spit all the CCI ammo out without any hickups or problems; simply flawless. However as soon as I switched to the bulk Federal, problems began left and right. Every magazine had at least 2 or 3 failure to feeds (ejected fine, but did not put the next round in the chamber). I even had one magazine where I had to manually put in every round by cycling the slide. I had only 2 or 3 failure to ejects, but one I actually had to use my cleaning rod to get the round out. All in all, the sudden failure to feeds were what was puzzling me.

It couldn't have been a magazine issue, because both magazine suddenly did it. There were even two of us loading the magazines, so it wasn't the loading techniques.

Should I have shot even more CCI rounds to break it in further before switching to lower grain bulk ammo?



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Old March 23rd, 2012, 03:29 PM   #2
 
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That's really puzzling. I ran 300 rounds of the Federal Value Pack stuff thru my SR22 in 40 minutes. Only problems I had were at the end, it was getting pretty dirty and i had two cases that would extract. Things were fine after I cleaned the chamber out with a dry Q-tip.

I've not even tried the CCI stuff in mine because teh cheaper stuff worked so well.

With the barrel being fixed in place, the feed angle is so much better than on the drop barrel units.

Was your barrel getting loose? Maybe it was tight and aligned better for the CCI ammo???
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I dont believe it was a barrel issue. The gun was rather dirty (pollen was killing outside today lol), so I cleaned it very well when I got home. I did not notice any looseness in the barrel at all... seems rather tight. I actually even tried to remove it for further cleaning, and I couldnt even get the hex screw to budge at all (so I left it alone). So I don't BELIEVE its a barrel issue. And if the barrel came loose after 100 rds... WTF?? lol

Im gonna go get some more CCI ammo and see if it continues the issue before I put some more of that Federal through it. If the problem ceases... then I know the problem.
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'Course the first question folks ask, did you clean and lubricate first, before shooting? Second, which CCI did you use? I don't buy CCI, because I've had great luck with Winchester super x and Federal in my SR 22.

When I first started shooting my SR22, I had several failure to feeds with the Winchester. I checked out the mags and noticed small gaps between some of the rounds and realized I was pulling the follower all the way down and dropping in the rounds until the mag was full.
To check this out, when loading the next magazine, I pulled the follower down just enough to load a round, repeated for the second, just pulling down, then about half way full released the spring to put pressure on the rounds. Then I completed loading the mag.

Did you notice the rounds in the mags are slightly offset(staggered)with each other? It appears, from my experience if the follower is pulled all the way down and rounds dropped in some of them may end up ever so slightly crooked, at a bad angle when they are at the top and don't feed.

Since I've been careful loading the magazine, my pistol has been flawless with Super X and Federal, the 525 box. No malfunction, fires each time the trigger is pulled.

I hope the solution to your challenge is as simple.
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'Course the first question folks ask, did you clean and lubricate first, before shooting? Second, which CCI did you use? I don't buy CCI, because I've had great luck with Winchester super x and Federal in my SR 22.

When I first started shooting my SR22, I had several failure to feeds with the Winchester. I checked out the mags and noticed small gaps between some of the rounds and realized I was pulling the follower all the way down and dropping in the rounds until the mag was full.
To check this out, when loading the next magazine, I pulled the follower down just enough to load a round, repeated for the second, just pulling down, then about half way full released the spring to put pressure on the rounds. Then I completed loading the mag.

Did you notice the rounds in the mags are slightly offset(staggered)with each other? It appears, from my experience if the follower is pulled all the way down and rounds dropped in some of them may end up ever so slightly crooked, at a bad angle when they are at the top and don't feed.

Since I've been careful loading the magazine, my pistol has been flawless with Super X and Federal, the 525 box. No malfunction, fires each time the trigger is pulled.

I hope the solution to your challenge is as simple.
Heck yes I cleaned and lubricated first lol, and I used CCI Mini-Mags .

I thought it would have been the magazines (my initial though) and the way they were being loaded. But the entire time I was loading them the second way you described (follower pulled down just enough to load one at a time). I did think it was odd however in the way the bullets line up in the magazine. After 2 or 3 rounds, the bullets start lying at strange angles... not a straight stack (or offset straight stack). Regardless, the CCI ammo did perfectly fine when loaded just like I was loading the Federal.

I really hope and get it resolved somehow to where I can shoot the 525 box all I wasnt.
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I am puzzled only because my SR22P thrives on Federal Bulk blue box 525. I've put about 1200 rounds through it without a single issue.
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Similar problem with Mark III 22/45

I had a similar problem with my new Mark III ... I started out with the Federals and had loading/ejecting problems. The gun shop owner suggested the CCI mini mags and I put a box of those through the gun without a single problem.
His explanation was that sometimes new pistols, especially 22s, can be picky about the ammo you put through them. It may be ok to use the Federals after the gun is broke in, but I am sticking with the CCIs for now.
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I am puzzled only because my SR22P thrives on Federal Bulk blue box 525. I've put about 1200 rounds through it without a single issue.
I am puzzled because EVERYONE does that without issues. Even if it is an issue with my magazine or loading technique or even gun.... I can't understand why is SUDDENLY started once I switched from CCI to the Federal. If it was an issue with me or the gun somehow, I would have though the CCI would have given me problems as well?
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I had a similar problem with my new Mark III ... I started out with the Federals and had loading/ejecting problems. The gun shop owner suggested the CCI mini mags and I put a box of those through the gun without a single problem.
His explanation was that sometimes new pistols, especially 22s, can be picky about the ammo you put through them. It may be ok to use the Federals after the gun is broke in, but I am sticking with the CCIs for now.
this is all I can think it must be.... the bulk Federal is a lower grain round that the CCIs I started with. Maybe if I put a couple hundred more rounds of CCIs through it and break it in and loosen everything up, the lower power Federals will start going without a hitch. They must have just enough power to get the slide open enough to eject, but not far enough back to grab the next round?
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This has got me to thinking also. I had been shooting Rem. Golden bullets with a ftf once in awhile. Then I switched to Wally World red box (kinda red) because everyone said how good they were. Last weekend we went out with the 10-22 and 22/45 and wholly crap!, more ftfs and stove pipes than you can shake a stick at. Today I picked up a blue box of Fed. Champions. Maybe this weekend I'll get time to try them and see how they work. Really can't see what the difference is though, the specs. on the boxes are identical. If they aren't any better I'm for sure going back to Golden Bullets. One thing for sure, It's gonna be a good time!
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Smile Similar problem with Mark III 22/45

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this is all I can think it must be.... the bulk Federal is a lower grain round that the CCIs I started with. Maybe if I put a couple hundred more rounds of CCIs through it and break it in and loosen everything up, the lower power Federals will start going without a hitch. They must have just enough power to get the slide open enough to eject, but not far enough back to grab the next round?
My problem was varied... sometimes it would eject, but not feed, while other times it not eject the spent shell. After a couple of conversations with the gun dealer, I tried the CCI minimags and went from at least 2 jams per magazine to no problems at all.
He told me the 500pk of Federals he had originally sold me with the gun are apparently a better grade of 'cheap' ammo, but he also stressed that all 22s can be tempermental about the ammo you put through it. He said it is very possible that, after breaking the pistol in, it might work very well with the Federals that are causing the jamming problems now.
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They must have just enough power to get the slide open enough to eject, but not far enough back to grab the next round?
I believe you are correct. There have been 4 or 5 people report this same thing, not picking up the new round after ejecting the spent case.
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i saw a Walther that did the exact same thing. after a steady diet of CCI Stingers and the slide locked back between range sessions,
it became a very reliable pistol digesting any .22 ammo out there.
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You might have (un)lucked into a bad batch of Federal ammo.

ZoSo0789,

I had bought 3 boxes of the Federal loose packed (550 rnd
Value Packs) and was shooting them in a Colt (Umarex/Walther) M4 lookalike .22 rifle.

In that rifle I was getting a lot of FTFs (and, BTW, NO Remingtons would even chamber in this rifle!).

Most of the Federals would fire on a second try, but some still would not fire, so I took those over to another .22 shooter at the range I was at and asked him if he would mind seeing if the rounds that failed to fire in the Colt would work in his (I think it was a Marlin) bolt action that he said was very reliable and not fussy about the ammo used in it.

Well, they also failed in his too! So I contacted Federal about the problem and gave them the lot # I was using. They were very interested in testing them and asked if I had some of the FTFs that I had at the range yet, but, unfortunately, I had disposed of them when they would not fire. But I told them that I still had 1 1/2 boxes left of the same lot# that I hadn't shot yet. So they issued me a pickup label (at no charge to me) for them to test and I felt I had nothing to lose so I did send them to Federal.

To my surprise, they sent me 5 boxes of 550 round
Value Packs (of another lot #) FREE for my trouble!

Here's the kicker tho' - On a follow-up call to them, after they finished doing their testing, they claimed that there was nothing wrong with the lot# I sent them!! However, I had no trouble at all with the ammo from the new lot# that they sent me!!!

But I was still impressed with Federal's customer service, and I really came out ahead by swapping my 1 1/2 boxes for 5 boxes!

I suspect that it had something to do with the Colt (I've traded up to a S&W M&P 15-22 since), but I can't explain why those rounds that failed in the Colt also failed in the other guy's rifle (?)

Hope this little anecdote will help you!

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I've been using Federal 550 bulks from the get go with no prolems at all. I also have a Kimber 1911 with a Kimber 22 cal coversion kit and it only wants cci mini mags. I've checked with Federal as if there's any difference between the Federal blue box and the the Federal 550 bulk pack. they says it's the same ammo just different packing. I'd sure love to send them back a box and 5 back. I'also have a umarex m4 which is very pickie to but I haven't tried federal, in that yet.

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