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Old October 28th, 2011, 08:32 AM   #1
 
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Stingers and Velocitors

I have a Ruger Mark III 22/45 with a 5-1/2 barrel.

Have any of you shot CCI Stingers or Velocitors out of this pistol and was it safe, etc?

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Old October 28th, 2011, 09:09 AM   #2
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I understand that Ruger cautions against hypervelocity ammo in the Mark pistols. The recoil spring and bolt stop were not designed for it.

I emailed a similar question to CCI about their hyper ammo. They answered that Stingers should not be used in any autoloader, pistol or rifle, because of the 1/10th inch longer case. That puts the initial blast of hot gas closer to the rifling and can erode it quicker than normal.
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Exactly as posted above ... the recoil speed of the bolt slams the action excessively and in the grand scheme of guns design, not good for service life of the firearm.

Not only that, the speed and power potential of the 29 grain pill needs a rifle length barrel.
It may go BANG louder but for the cost of hyper velocity RF ammo a waist shooting from a pistol for the bang factor ... If hitting vermin and you only have a pistol too do so ... Shoot it sparingly.
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This is new to me. What is "hypervelocity" ammo and how do I identify it so as to stay away from it?
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Rhodester ... The hyper velocity rounds like the the CCI Stingers if I remember correctly develop about 30% more energy (and accordingly 30% more bolt thrust) then the typical high velocity rounds recommended for the MK Series pistols. Although this additional energy wouldn't break a MK Series pistol, it would most certainly create additional (read unnecessary) wear to your pistol if you feed it a steady diet of them. When you add the additional pistol wear to the additional cost of the Stingers, it doesn't make sense to use them IMHO.
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You can kind of equate it to shooting +P ammo out of a handgun, it wears the weapon out faster.
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This is new to me. What is "hypervelocity" ammo and how do I identify it so as to stay away from it?
CCI makes Stingers and Velocitors, both of which have much higher velocity than standard "high velocity" rounds that you commonly find available... for example, CCI mini-mags (40gr) are 1235 FPS velocity, while CCI Velocitors (40gr) are 1435 FPS velocity.

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Thanks Guys. I think I will just stay with the standard velocity stuff.
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Rats. Wish I had known that the 1400+ FPS stuff was hard on the Marks. I have several boxes stockpiled. Is it OK to use in the 10/22 or are the same issues of excessive recoil present?
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Rats. Wish I had known that the 1400+ FPS stuff was hard on the Marks. I have several boxes stockpiled. Is it OK to use in the 10/22 or are the same issues of excessive recoil present?
It probably has the same effect in a 10/22, but to a lesser degree with the difference in the bolt design... I would use it in a 10/22.
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Rats. Wish I had known that the 1400+ FPS stuff was hard on the Marks. I have several boxes stockpiled. Is it OK to use in the 10/22 or are the same issues of excessive recoil present?
In a 10/22 would not worry what so ever ... the little 10/22 is one tough SOB !!
If in doubt put in a Nylon or Delrin bolt stop pin so impact is less harsh.


Most cases when .22RF ammo is a "Hot" loading where extra speed is claimed, most loadings will use a 29 grain bullet of one design or another.
Stingers and Yellow Jackets for instance .........

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Opps! I put about 50 Stingers through my 22/45 to try them out. Oh well, I guess 50 won't hurt it as long a I don't use them again.

Also, I have a VQ barrel on my 10/22 and it came with a warning slip saying not to use Stingers in it, due slightly larger bullet or case length or whichever. The point is I haven't used them. I did try the mini-mags without any problems in either gun.
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I wish Iowegan was around to opine on these rounds in the 10/22.
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I emailed a similar question to CCI about their hyper ammo. They answered that Stingers should not be used in any autoloader, pistol or rifle, because of the 1/10th inch longer case. That puts the initial blast of hot gas closer to the rifling and can erode it quicker than normal.
What caliber is a Stinger then? To be a .22LR wouldn't it need to have a case the same length as all other .22LRs? When you make a .38 case 1/10" longer you have a .357 Mag.
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The stinger has an over-all length that is the same as a standard 22 lr, however by making the case a tad longer and using a lower weight (shorter) projectile, they can squeeze in the extra grain or two of powder needed to pump up the velocity.

10/22's have never been problematic when using the hyper-rounds, except if you have a target model or have installed an aftermarket barrel. Of course, at least one company makes a barrel specifically for using the stinger round...it has the chamber idealized for the stinger's case length.
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