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Old August 5th, 2011, 07:27 AM   #1
 
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Post Standard VS. MKI, plus mag issues

Hi, first of all since I'm new to the forum (so glad I found it) I should apologize if (and I'm sure it has) this been covered numerous times already. I just can't find the info I need all together.

I find myself needing/wanting a new kit gun for my canoe trips here in Georgia. If you've ever been down here, carrying a snake gun is just plain smart. I decided that rather than purchase a new handgun, I thought I'd dig up my father's old Ruger .22lr. He is long deceased and I'm not able to get any info about the provenance on the gun.

The serial number is 184XXX which according to Ruger puts it in the 1960/1961 range for production. Nowhere on it is it marked either "Standard" or "MKI" so I can't figure out exactly which it is. It has the longer, 5" tapered barrel and fixed patridge sights.

When I unboxed the gun for the first time in years I was dismayed to find that the original magazine(s) were missing. Reading up a bit I found that as has been mentioned in a lot of forums, the originals are not produced anymore. So, I bought myself a couple of the (sadly) plastic bottomed replacement mags and reversed the follower buttons as per instructions.

Well, frankly, they don't work. The first round loads just fine, but there is almost invariably a jam on the second round. This happens either when actually being fired, or when cycling the rounds manually. From what I can tell by looking at the jam before clearing it, it seems as if the second round isn't hitting the feed ramp at the correct angle and the nose of the bullet is catching on the lower edge of the ramp and jamming there.

I'm 99.9% sure this is an issue with the magazines rather than the gun. The gun is clean, cycles smooth and has no dirt or rust whatsoever. I'm not a real expert, but I did sell guns at a gun/pawn shop for years and I am well acquainted with proper function and handling.

So, after my long-winded setup, here are the questions:

1: is my gun a Standard or a MKI?

2: Can the newer mags be adjusted or modified to function in this gun, and if so, how?

3: Is there a reliable source for original mags (other than scouring gun shows) and how much should I expect to pay for them?

Thanks in advance for your indulgences and help in this matter and for tolerating my verbose introduction to this forum

-Doug



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Old August 5th, 2011, 08:02 AM   #2
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Buy ruger standard Magazines / Clips & Sell ruger standard Magazines / Clips Items at GunBroker.com

This is from gunbroker.com There are a couple listed.

Also Numrich gun parts may have some: Numrich Gun Parts Corporation

You should be able to come up with a couple originals if you snoop around a while or search the internet. Sounds like you have a nice pistol. From my understanding, as I've learned here, you have the Standard Model. The MKI's were the target versions. If you check the "sticky" at the beginning of this forum there will be more info. on the topic.

Any pictures?

Good luck ...

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Radixx, The gun itself is not marked "Standard" except for older models. All MK Is are roll marked "MK I Target" All fixed sight models are "Standards" and all adjustable sight models are MK Is. The frames and internal parts are the same on both the Standard and MK I .... only the barrels and sights were different. If you have the origional box, it will have "Ruger Standard" on the end label.

BTW, Ruger still sells the origional Standard/MK I 9-round chrome base magazines. See Shopruger.com
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Radixx, The gun itself is not marked "Standard" except for older models. All MK Is are roll marked "MK I Target" All fixed sight models are "Standards" and all adjustable sight models are MK Is. The frames and internal parts are the same on both the Standard and MK I .... only the barrels and sights were different. If you have the origional box, it will have "Ruger Standard" on the end label.

BTW, Ruger still sells the origional Standard/MK I 9-round chrome base magazines. See Shopruger.com
Looks like I do indeed have a "Standard" and I'm really happy for the info, thanks! However the MKI mags sold at shopruger.com seem to be the very same type that I'm having trouble with and I don't want to throw good money after bad.

The mags sold(auctioned?) at gunbroker.com (thanks JAS!) are very different looking and are what I remember the gun having originally. you can see the different right away in that one side of the clip is solid (see below).

Ruger Pre Mk-1 Standard Auto Solid Side Magazine : Magazines / Clips at GunBroker.com

The $50 price tag seems a bit steep though. I think I'll take a look at an upcoming gun show here in Savannah and hope I get lucky. Unless there are some other suggestions? Thanks again for all the prompt and helpful info. At the very least now I know exactly which gun I have and that the problem really is with the mags.
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BTW, Ruger still sells the origional Standard/MK I 9-round chrome base magazines. See Shopruger.com

Ummm..............no they don't. The latest version of magazines REPLACE those with the solid, chromed bases. The NEW style has a gray plastic follower and removeable base plate and more resemble the Mark II type of magazine. The gray PLASTIC follower does restrict magazine capacity to 9 though, which can easily be changed. The magazine being sold on Gunbroker is for the very early Ruger pistols with the A-54 frame. That frame has the bottom grip screw on the right panel sitting higher than the grip screw on the left panel.

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D A Wood, I just checked Shopruger.com and you're right. They must have dropped them recently because I ordered and received two of them in March ... brand new in bubble pack. I think they were $15 each.

Radixx, Make sure you have MK II magazines, not MK III. They look the same but the MK IIIs have a notch for the behind-the-trigger magazine catch and will not work properly in a Standard. If you do have a MK III magazine, you can grind the notch off. It is located on the right side of the magazie toward the front, about half way down.
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I have my Daddy's old 1966 vintage Standard. It functions perfectly with the Mark I magazines that Ruger will sell you. The Mark I magazines are better made than the original one (which I still have). Do not worry about the plastic bottom. This is a good magazine.

Not sure why your Standard is jamming. Is it possible that you are "limp wristing" it? My Standard is sensitive to this. You must grip the pistol firmly when firing so that the shell can eject properly.

The Standard is a fine weapon and should be fine for shooting Copperheads or whatnot.
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D A Wood, I just checked Shopruger.com and you're right. They must have dropped them recently because I ordered and received two of them in March ... brand new in bubble pack. I think they were $15 each.

Radixx, Make sure you have MK II magazines, not MK III. They look the same but the MK IIIs have a notch for the behind-the-trigger magazine catch and will not work properly in a Standard. If you do have a MK III magazine, you can grind the notch off. It is located on the right side of the magazie toward the front, about half way down.
I did this and it still did not work well. Better to buy Mark I magazines.
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I used to have a standard before I traded it in for my MKII. I had a MKII mag and a "MKI" mag that had the silver base plate, as well as the original one with a steel baseplate. I found that the MKI with silver plastic worked the best. However this mag only holds 9 rounds. However, I found a way to do a VERY simple mod to the mag to make it hold 10, and I never had any issues with it.
If you have one of these mags that only holds 9 and want to know how to make it hold 10 let me know and I will post this very easy tip. (see if you can figure it out yourself first )
Hint:compare the MKI and MKII mags... there is one tiiiiny difference!
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To the person who contacted me regarding MKI clips via "Private Message" in here, apparently I do not (yet?) have access to the private message functionality of this message board so I cannot reply. Please contact me at dougtmorse@gmail.com.

Thanks,

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I have a Mark 1 from 1967 and I bought the silver plastic mags from shopruger.com and just had to switch the button to the other side.
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Below is a picture of the followers from (left to right) original Standard and Mark I, Mark II & III and what Ruger is using now in Standard and Mark I magazines. To get ten rounds to go into the "new" type magazines either trim the spring follower to the same length as a Mark II or III magazine or replace it with a Mark II or III follower or...............just buy and use the Mark II magazine.

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I hate to say it, but did you try different ammo? I have a lot of green box Remington that very in size too much for my standard. Other ammo feeds just fine. Some of the Remington ammo is so large that they even are hard to get in my single six cylinder.
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If you are using true Ruger mags I would blame the ammo before getting old MK I / standard mags. My primary .22 is a MK I and I have long since parked the original MK I mags. I don't know if the new springs will work in the old MK I mags. There is usually a reason someone is selling old mags with out the gun.
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Well, frankly, they don't work. The first round loads just fine, but there is almost invariably a jam on the second round. This happens either when actually being fired, or when cycling the rounds manually. From what I can tell by looking at the jam before clearing it, it seems as if the second round isn't hitting the feed ramp at the correct angle and the nose of the bullet is catching on the lower edge of the ramp and jamming there.

I'm 99.9% sure this is an issue with the magazines rather than the gun. The gun is clean, cycles smooth and has no dirt or rust whatsoever. (another snip)
I just bought an early Standard; serial 34XX; it does the same kind of jam; will do it any time, especially likely on the first or second round.

The gun also has a problem with stovepiping.

FWIW I swapped bolts from another known good gun; it brought the stovepipe problem from four or five per mag down to one or two. I found if I run shots off as quick as possible, it's less likely to jam; sometimes even goes through two magazines before jamming. But if I space out the shots at all...

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