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Old May 19th, 2017, 04:02 PM   #1
 
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1951 .22 Standard ejection issues.

I have an old Standard from 1951 (first production run) that is having issues with ejection. I can't get it to eject anything properly. It stove pipes or the case ends up on the side opposite the ejection port. Running the slide manually, it ejects fine. I've tried several types of ammo all behave the same. Only thing I haven't tried are Stingers/Mini Mags, etc. I tried several brands of standard and high velocity ammo.

Gun is clean and lubricated, ejector looks fine, cases don't seem to be catching on the magazine lips.. Frankly I'm baffled. Next thought was to try Stingers to see if it just needs more recoil to get the slide back with enough speed to kick out the cases. I have a Beretta that won't run on much else so maybe this one is similar.

Any thoughts appreciated.



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arlon, You can't tell a good extractor from a bad one by just looking. This is a very common problem with all Ruger Standards and MK series pistols. Invest about 12 bucks in an Volquartsen Exact Edge extractor. Power Custom also makes an excellent extractor called a Sharp Claw but it is 15 bucks. Either one will solve your problem.
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Hey Arlon,

As Iowegan suggested, the extractor is the most common cause of ejection problems. But before you spend the money, check that the ejector is tight.

Just put your finger in the ejection port and see if it easily wiggles left and right. This can cause the same problems - even with a brand new extractor. I just fixed this very problem on my MKII about a week ago. Very frustrating!
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arlon, Extractors are a bit strange because they really don't extract a spent case but will extract a live round when manually operating the bolt. The concept is .... barrel pressure pushes the case and bolt to the rear when the gun is fired so the spent case gets extracted no matter what ... even if the extractor is removed. The hook on the extractor has to hold the rim of the case firmly against the breech face until the case head strikes the ejector .... at which time the spent case is flung out or the extraction port. If the extractor lets go prematurely, instead of ejecting, the case will fall into the receiver and create a jam or stovepipe .... which is exactly what's happening with your Standard.

Ruger extractors are stamped parts and are often misshaped. Sometimes they work well for a while, sometimes they fail on a brand new gun. The aftermarket parts I mentioned above are machined parts and tend to work great with virtually any brand of ammo. No doubt, your Standard is suffering from some wear .... could be the extractor slot has worn wider as TestEngineer said, but most likely the extractor has just worn out .... possibly both. In years past when I had my gunsmith shop, I kept a batch of extractors in stock and replaced several every month. BTW, the same exact extractor is used in a 10/22 and has exactly the same issues.
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I had much of the same issues with my 1980 Mark I Target with failure to extract and stovepipes. The problem was happening with both standard and high vel rounds but was much worse with the standard vel match ammo that I have cases of and wanted to use up.

Here's what I did:

First I replaced the extractor and extractor spring with a Tandemkross Eagle's Talon extractor (tho I'm sure the Volquartsen extractor is an equal upgrade and improvement.)

That alone didn't result in a significant improvement. I then decided to replace the firing pin as the original firing pin seemed to be hitting on the extreme outside edge of the rim and distorting some of the cases making extraction very difficult. I bought a couple firing pins and the one I liked best is the new Ruger Mark IV OEM firing pin that is now a machined part and has a better shaped tip that doesn't deform the cases the way the original pin did.

At the same time, I also installed the Volquartsen VS3 Recoil Rod Spring and Assembly Kit. This has 3 different powered recoil springs for std., high velocity, and hypervelocity ammo. I installed it with the lower powered std vel spring.

Since I replaced the firing pin and recoil rod spring at the same time, I don't know what was the one thing (maybe it was the combination of things) that worked. Now, my Mark I is very reliable. With the now rare failure being due to ammo issues. Before the upgrades, I was getting failures to extract std vel ammo at a 50% rate and now failures or jams of any kind are a rare occurrence. I was just at the range yesterday and put a couple hundred rounds of Eley EPS Match, old Lapua Master M and SK Match (all at velocities from 1050 - 1080 fps) thru it without any failures.

You shouldn't need to use hyper vel rounds to get your pistol to reliably eject. Since you have stated that your cases aren't getting stuck in the chamber, I would start with changing the extractor and installing the Volquartsen recoil rod spring assembly.

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I had a similar issue with my 1976 Standard around 2012. Changed the extractor to one of the VQ but still had a problem. Sent it back to Ruger who replaced the ejector. Total cost at the time was about $27 for shipping. LOVE Ruger customer service. Give them a call and they will fix it!
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arlon, You can't tell a good extractor from a bad one by just looking. This is a very common problem with all Ruger Standards and MK series pistols. Invest about 12 bucks in an Volquartsen Exact Edge extractor. Power Custom also makes an excellent extractor called a Sharp Claw but it is 15 bucks. Either one will solve your problem.
I only looked at the EJECTOR, not extractor. I did not examine the extractor, it seems to extract fine. It just doesn't eject properly.

Good point to change the extractor claw if that is a common issue and not much expense to do so. Certainly worth trying anyway. Thanks.
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I had a similar issue with my 1976 Standard around 2012. Changed the extractor to one of the VQ but still had a problem. Sent it back to Ruger who replaced the ejector. Total cost at the time was about $27 for shipping. LOVE Ruger customer service. Give them a call and they will fix it!
If I can't get it squared away quick enough, that is an option I hadn't considered..
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Bill, love the idea of the different springs. I'd love to try them in this gun and a Mark II Target I have. I would like to try both of them with some lower velocity ammo. At least the Mark II has been flawless as long as I use HV ammo.
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I looked on the Volquartsen site and only see extractors for the Mark II and later. I couldn't find anything for the Standard.
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arlon, Ruger uses the same extractor on all MK series pistols starting with the original Standard. There are two different Ruger part numbers .... one for blued, one for stainless. It really doesn't matter .... either will work. As for Volquartsen, the same hold true. Their Exact Edge extractor will fit all Standards and MK series pistols to include 22/45s .... also 10/22s.
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The extractor will fit the MK I also. I don't know if the Standard extractor is the same as the MK I. I think it is but confirmation is needed. Tandemkross has their extractor for the MK I through the MK IV.

https://www.tandemkross.com/Eagles-T...KIV_p_154.html
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MarkB, The difference between a Mark I and a Standard is the target barrel and adjustable sights on the MK I. All internal parts including the bolt and extractor are identical. MK IIs have a slightly different bolt but the extractor is the same. Likewise with the MK III and MK IV .... same extractor.
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Awesome, thanks. I figured I'd just get one for the MK II and try it in the standard. If it worked great if not the Mark II would have a new extractor. Now, I might just order two of them and a spring kit.
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You might want to consider buying the Gunsmither Pistol Pal Takedown tool for these pistols. It helped me replace the extractor and makes taking down these pistols a little easier. You can see how it works on You Tube.
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