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Old April 20th, 2017, 11:11 AM   #1
 
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TK Firestarter firing pin

Anybody tried the TK Firestarter firing pin for MK pistols? I watched the video and it seemed like a decent upgrade so I ordered one.



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Old April 20th, 2017, 01:49 PM   #2
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Goldenpony, I wonder how many MK Series pistols have been made? It has to be in the millions and guess what? The factory firing pin works just fine. Parts like this are just a way to spend money unnecessarily.
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Iowegan,
Yea, and millions of cars and trucks came out with carburetors and bias Ply tires. I Will stay with my fuel injection and radials.
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I bought one, installed it, tried it and quickly replaced it. I was not pleased with the wide, shallow firing pin hits on the very outside of the rim, of the original firing pin on my Ruger Mark I. They all went bang but I'm used to the much stronger/deeper strikes by my rimfire rifles and I didn't like the placement of the strikes on the very outside of the rim which distorted the case and caused some extraction problems. When I installed the Firestarter firing pin the hits were no better, and looked to be even shallower than the original pin and were also on the very outside of the rim. However, I did not have any failures to fire with it. I then heard about, bought and installed the new style Ruger OEM firing pin from SGW. This is a machined part rather than the old stamped part that Ruger had and it has a narrower, deeper and better placed imprint on the rim. This new Ruger firing pin is less than $5, which I bought from SGW.

When you get and install your new TK firing pin, check it's rim strikes against your Ruger firing pin. If it's not deeper, or better placed (not on the very edge that tends to distort the case) then you did not get an improvement. If it performs like mine did (shallower and still on the very edge of the rim) then you have not improved your ignition. IMO the new style OEM Ruger firing pin is the way to go. However, the TK extractor is an improvement over the OEM extractor.

You can read about the new style Ruger firing pin here:

https://thefiringline.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=583377

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Thanks for the info Bill. I will definitely compare the fired cases with my OE pin and with the Fire Starter. I wouldn't have thought to do that.
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I have to agree with Iowegan. IMO, the best firing pin is the original - with the tip filed to a narrower profile. It delivers the deepest hits of any pin. The replacement pins are made of a lighter material, and further lightened by drilling unnecessary holes in them.

They like to claim "faster lock time". This may be true, but it reduces momentum and is thus - less reliable.

Any "advantage" the replacement pins may have from being "machined" instead of being "stamped" is removed with a little smoothing of the original with some sandpaper.

Again, this is JMO.
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Since momentum is a function of mass X velocity, any reduction in mass would have to have a proportional increase in velocity to attain the same momentum. The TK firing pin is 60% (2 grams vs 5 grams) lighter than the OEM pin. It would have to have a corresponding increase in velocity to make up for the weight reduction to have the same momentum. From just looking at the fired cases hit with the TK firing pin in my pistol, I would say it has less momentum. Lock time would be improved with any increase in firing pin velocity, but the actual importance of that improvement having any significant impact on accuracy would be very difficult to quantify.

I don't know the weight of the new OEM firing pins that SGW received from Ruger, but I can tell you that in my pistol, they resulted in a deeper and better positioned dent in the case. One can take the old firing pin and file on it to reshape and re-position the tip or for $5 you can get the new (and IMO improved) firing pin from Ruger. For me, it was just easier to get the new OEM pin.

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Well, this thread went a weird direction. Poor guy just wanted some reviews of something he already ordered.
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Neon Horse, I think the OP got reviews .... maybe not what he expected.

Lock time on a MK Series pistol is very fast ...even with the heavier factory firing pin. Some comparisons .... a typical single action revolver has the slowest lock time .... about .075~.079 seconds. Most DA revolvers have lock times in the .040 second range .... about half of a SA. Typical hammer fired pistols (internal or external hammer) are in the .030 second range. Striker fired pistols are the fastest with some models being as fast as .015 seconds. You can definitely tell the difference in lock time between a SA and a DA revolver but I really doubt you could possibly notice a lick of difference between a MK Series pistol with a "light" firing pin versus a factory firing pin.

Many people do not understand how their firearms work and as such, they can be charmed with claims of various improvements by aftermarket manufacturers .... such is the case with the TK firing pin. There are indeed some aftermarket parts that ARE improvements but the TK firing pin isn't one of them. In my opinion .... any part that results in improved accuracy or function may be worth the investment. One such part is the extractor for a MK series pistol .... but only if the pistol fails to eject (stovepipes). Other parts that do NOT result in some sort of improvement and in fact may not be as reliable, are just more ways to spend money for "braggin' rights. Like always .... it's your gun and your money!
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Well, I'll just have to try it out. I feel TK offers some very good products. The Fire Starter has a lifetime warranty, if it isn't what they claim, I'll send it back.
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I always like it when someone asks for opinions AFTER they do something . . . and then argue with those who respond. What they're actually doing is seeking approval for their actions. This may or may not apply in the current case, but it's a rather common posting.

It will be interesting to see if the OP can actually detect any real performance improvement with the new firing pin. I hope we get a "product review".

Personally, I've never had any complaints about the original firing pins in my Ruger pistols. I s'pose it could be that I'm just easy to please . . .


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Feedback.

I'm kind of puzzled by all these flaming feedbacks, only one of which was from somebody that had actually tried a Fire Starter firing pin-his post I respect. He even noted all his shots went bang with the Fire Starter pin, he just didn't like the looks of the firing pin marks in the fired cases.
As for the rest of the posts, if you feel that way, don't buy one. As somebody said it's my money and my gun. If I don't like the results, it will go back. I have purchased other things from TandemKross all of which I was well pleased with.
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I agree with your post- your money, your gun. I have been watching this thread to see the response and I too have been disappointed on the replies with the exception of the one who tried it and the one who states that millions have used the factory firing pin with good results.
Both statements I take to be true but I would still like to hear a realistic review of the product from you after you have a chance to put it through its paces.


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Thanks Jason. I appreciate it.
Yes, millions of Ruger pistols have been sold with factory firing pins. That doesn't mean there couldn't be an improvement, something better. Often, products are sold with parts in them that are "just good enough". When I upgrade something, I want to make it work just a little bit better, and maybe last longer than what it came with. If I am wrong, it's only my money that is at risk.
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