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Old April 11th, 2017, 01:21 PM   #16
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Quicker to clean for some I can buy. Better gun I highly doubt it.
Define better. How is the Mark II superior? Can you even be objective without running both? Does ot shoot better than all the other iterations? My guess is that it's on par in regards to accuracy.



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Quicker to clean for some I can buy. Better gun I highly doubt it.
Whether you doubt it or not, the Ruger Mark 4 still maintains the accuracy potential (also realized) of a set of sights which never drift in relation to the cylinder bore. Almost all others use sights which are not intrinsically "welded" (my term) to the cylinder bore. Back in 1972, when I got my Mark I target, it was the only affordable target pistol which could compete toe-to-toe with the extremely expensive imported offerings. Now that Ruger has finally solved the disassembly problem, they should effectively nail down the market for supremely accurate .22LR pistols. If I did not already own my Mark I (and achieve Distinguished Expert designation) I would jump at the chance to purchase the latest superb offering.
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Whether you doubt it or not, the Ruger Mark 4 still maintains the accuracy potential (also realized) of a set of sights which never drift in relation to the cylinder bore. Almost all others use sights which are not intrinsically "welded" (my term) to the cylinder bore. Back in 1972, when I got my Mark I target, it was the only affordable target pistol which could compete toe-to-toe with the extremely expensive imported offerings. Now that Ruger has finally solved the disassembly problem, they should effectively nail down the market for supremely accurate .22LR pistols. If I did not already own my Mark I (and achieve Distinguished Expert designation) I would jump at the chance to purchase the latest superb offering.
I am thinking Ruger people are as annoying as Glock people. When I bought my MK3 two years ago and posted how I did not love the take down process there was not end of posts telling me how easy it was. Now I post that although I do not love the take down process its not worth the money for the MK4 there is no end to posts telling me how horrible it is. LMAO
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You win. $200 Mark II FTW.

Sour grapes, aisle 2.
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I just did a check on GB you can pick up at MK2 on GB for around 200. So prices have not really went up or down in all the years I have had my MK2. Inflation only comes into new guns and to a lesser degree used guns. a good condition MK2 is not ever going to go for 100 dollars or even 150 unless you find a seller who is a friend or does not know what he has. So my point is or was is it worth 200 give or take more for a MK4 over a MK 2 or 3? In my opinion no. Is the MK4 a bad gun? I never said it was not an improvement over the old models, at least as far as take down goes. I doubt its better shooter than the older models are. I would buy it was as good but not better. For me it would not be worth paying double for the MK4. If I had a 2 3 and 4 side by side for the same price at a gun shop which one would I take? I would have to look at the MK4 close up. Some may love the new thing on the market. Just like some people will wait in line to get the newest Iphone. My old S4 works just fine thanks. Its not worth a grand for the newest apple.
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You win. $200 Mark II FTW.

Sour grapes, aisle 2.
Its not a win or lose, its not sour grapes. That would imply I could not get a MK4 which I can very easily. The only thing I am saying is that for me I would not pay double for a MK4 over the 3 or 2. That is the long and short of it. If you would buy the latest thing that Ruger puts out every time they dump a new and improved fortified with 10 essential vitamins go for it.
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Quicker to clean for some I can buy. Better gun I highly doubt it.
Quicker to clean from some? There is no question that it is easier & FASTER to break down and clean, for anyone. I for one have no problems break down a Mark III, but the Mark IV is WAY easier & Quicker. No two ways around it!

As far as better, the Mark IV does have a few features that I think are nice. Larger bolt release, ambi safety, weighs less, the mags drop freely without any upgrades, and the breakdown feature. Those features might not make it a better pistol. But definitely make an improvement on the previous models and also justify the price!

If you are happy with your Mark II & Mark III that is fine. You do not have to buy a Mark IV. But there are enough upgrades & technology put into the newer model that is well worth the money and they will sell a S@#* ton of them!
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Quicker to clean from some? There is no question that it is easier & FASTER to break down and clean, for anyone. I for one have no problems break down a Mark III, but the Mark IV is WAY easier & Quicker. No two ways around it!

As far as better, the Mark IV does have a few features that I think are nice. Larger bolt release, ambi safety, weighs less, the mags drop freely without any upgrades, and the breakdown feature. Those features might not make it a better pistol. But definitely make an improvement on the previous models and also justify the price!

If you are happy with your Mark II & Mark III that is fine. You do not have to buy a Mark IV. But there are enough upgrades & technology put into the newer model that is well worth the money and they will sell a S@#* ton of them!
Not worth the price in my book. If your happy paying double have at it.
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Another thing, Mark II's around here and every other place I have lived go for $250-300. Same as used Mark III's. And around here you can get a brand new Mark IV blued models for $350-380 OTD. So it would not be double. Also you are getting a used firearm that you have no idea how it was cared for. So for an extra $100-150 to get all the new features & a new non abused firearm, is well worth the extra money.

You do come off a little sour!

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Not worth the extra money IMO. I have a LIGHT MK3 along with my MK2. is it a pain of a learning curve sure. but do it three or four times and its really no problem. For me I would not pay for it.
Then don't pay for it. Just enjoy the guns you have. Nothing wrong with that.

Personally, I was happy to get my new MK4 22/45 Tactical for $399 (ok, plus sales tax) with rails, threaded barrel, and yes, the easier takedown. There is no other gun on the market I know of with that feature set at that price point.

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Then don't pay for it. Just enjoy the guns you have. Nothing wrong with that.

Personally, I was happy to get my new MK4 22/46 Tactical for $399 (ok, plus sales tax) with rails, threaded barrel, and yes, the easier takedown. There is no other gun on the market I know of with that feature set at that price point.
Nope nothing else. LOL
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MKIII 60th Anniversary model

I was able to aquire my Mark III Stainless 60th anniversary model which is displayed as my avatar picture. Also have the standard stainless Target . Shoot the standard 10103 Target Stainless 5.5 to keep in practice. Have changed out the loaded chamber indicator and the magazine bushing in the standard. Its a shooter.

Would I trade my Anniversary edition for a new MKIV Stainless target model 40103? Probably not. The Mark III series does me just fine.
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Obviously the shooters in my area seem to think that the Mark 4 is a better deal (even at slightly more initial money) than the Mark 2 or Mark 3 as my local (3) gun dealers can't keep the Mark 4 (in any configuration) in stock.

Most are selling the Mark 4 at just under list price & they are selling well ahead of receiving the guns in.

At one local gun store they have have a Mark 2 on consignment for about 3 months now ($275.00 on the tag but would probably take a little less)

Another local shop has a Mark 3 (with supposedly trigger parts update) for just under $300.00 & it has been there for a while. Same shop is always sold out of the Mark 4 as they sell as fast as they come in.

I have an old Mark 2 & now my Mark 4-- Take down is very easy on both guns but quick reassembly is light years ahead on the Mark 4.

To me the mag release position on the Mark 4 is worth the extra money not even counting the Mark 4's fully machined (no welded) frame, ability to sling shot the bolt, trigger re-design to keep trigger from rubbing the slide lock, very positive (spring loaded) mag drop, protected muzzle crown, did I mention quicker reassembly?

Only down side to the new Mark 4 that I can tell is the magazine disconnect & that is about a 10 minute & (2) washer removal process.

I have owned a couple of Mark 2' s (still have one), owned a Mark 3 (couldn't wait to get rid of that one), & now a Mark 4. If I could only keep one .22 pistol it would, for-sure, be the Mark 4.
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Thoughts on the new high price Ruger.
I'm thinking of getting a new 22/45 MKIV. They go for about $360.00 out the door around here.

I have a lot of shooting time with a friend's 22/45 MKIII and I shoot it better than just about any rimfire gun I've tried. I like that the MKIV doesn't have an LCI and I like the easier take down. Honestly, I passed up buying a MKIII in the past due to that take down*, even though I shoot it so well.

*That's coming from me being a repairman. Even though I can take down a MK pistol, when I relax I like to not do something that makes me think of my job.
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I have several 22s and love my Walther P22 great gun. Ruger even tried to copy it
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