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Old January 7th, 2017, 02:28 PM   #1
 
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1971 Standard (Pre Mark) - Input Please

I picked up a 1971 Standard. I sent the gun back to Ruger and had a new ejector rivited in due to the original being loose. I also had it re-blued while it was there. I then sent the frame into Volquartsen and had them install their Trigger Accurizing Kit. The trigger is nice and crisp. I also put in the Volquarsen Bolt Tune Up kit (extractor, and striker). I have taken the gun out 2X now and it is not feeding as reliable as I would hope. I get a couple of jams per magazine while shooting. I am shooting Federal Auto Match (white box). I have a Mark ii, and Mark iii and these 2 feed everything with just a seldom round not extracting or firing (good ol .22lr). I know it is an older model. Any input or feed back on the Standards of this age would be appreciated. Should I send it to Volquartsen to evaluate? I know that they build custom Rugers. Thank you in advance for your input.
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Old January 8th, 2017, 05:38 PM   #2
 
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I don't think this will help you directly, but it may give you a place to look. I have a 1968 Standard. The mag that came with it has been 100% reliable for 48 years. I've gone through 3 mags that I bought in the last 48 years. Only one of them ever worked even a little and recently it has refused to feed the first round. The other two never worked worth a dang, misfeeding and jamming every second or third round. I got rid of them as they frustrated me so.

What I'm getting at is the mag may be the problem. There is a video of how to adjust the feed lips, but I never got them right on the mag that works somewhat. You may have better luck adjusting yours.

Good luck with the pistol. It looks beautiful, and I'm sure you will enjoy it when it works well.
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Thank you very much for your reply. I am using a new magazine from Ruger. I just ordered another.
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What type of "jams" are you getting? Stovepipe? FTE?

I agree with above. Check the mag. They're almost always the first place to start with "jamming" problems.

Even though it's a new mag from ruger, I'm pretty sure they've made changes.

I have a 74 standard and it eats up anything I put in it. Seems to prefer cci mini mag though.

On the other hand my high standard HDM hates about everything. Even fancy sk match ammo. I get all sorts of malfunctions with that bugger every mag. But I guess that's to be expected from a 71 year old gun
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The jams I get are failure to extract completely. Are the older guns feed ramp different than the newer Mark ii's and Mark iii's?
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The jams I get are failure to extract completely. Are the older guns feed ramp different than the newer Mark ii's and Mark iii's?
Not sure on the feed ramp.

Pull the bolt and slide a live round into the extractor. You should be able to pull on the round(straight out) and not have it pop out. If it does, with very little force, your extractor hook has either been filed to have a positive angle allowing the casing to slip out, or it's just rounded from wear.

On the other hand, if even just gravity makes the round fall out, the hook either needs to be bent in, or the spring changed, as there isn't enough "pinch" on the case
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I have taken the gun out 2X now and it is not feeding as reliable as I would hope. I get a couple of jams per magazine while shooting.
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The jams I get are failure to extract completely. Are the older guns feed ramp different than the newer Mark ii's and Mark iii's?
I'm a bit confused as to what the problem is you're experiencing. Unreliable feeding is failing to get the round into the chamber, while FTE is failing to get the fired brass out of the chamber.

The feed ramps haven't changed. If you're having feeding problems, try using one of your Mark ii magazines and see if it works okay. You may need to tweek your Standard mags to exactly match the Mark ii mags.

If your problem is FTEs, and considering that Ruger just replaced your ejector, I would start by looking there. The new rivot may not be "squished" as much as it should be. It may be good enough to hold the ejector tight, but it may be sitting high enough that the bottom of the bolt is dragging on it. A little sanding on the rivot may be needed.

It sure is a nice looking pistol. I know it can run every bit as good as your Mark ii. Maybe you can clarify your issues a bit more (I've identified 7 different types of feeding failures), and let us know what you've found.

Best Wishes!
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Just a thought, since you said you have a FTE issue, try this: Lock the bolt back and insert a round into the chamber. Then tip the pistol so the barrel is pointing up. The round should fall out of the chamber all by itself. If it is stuck in there, or if you had to push it into the chamber with finger pressure, then your chamber is all carboned up and needs to be cleaned. I have even "polished" some chambers with a .24 dowel with some 600 sandpaper wrapped around it. You don't want to make it bigger, you only want to clean and polish it! So be careful if you work on it with anything more than a bore brush and some cleaner.
I see that you have replaced the extractor so I'd bet it isn't the extractor.
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