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Old June 26th, 2009, 07:41 AM   #1
 
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22/45 bolt lock

I just purchased a used Mark II 22/45 and I am wondering if I am the only one who doesn't like the slide lock. I tried searching for an aftermarket extended release with no luck. Any thoughts or comments?



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Just curious here...

What about it do you not like?
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Dash2000,

I too am curious! You have an original 22/45 and I have an MKIII 22/45 but the bolt stops are nearly identical in location and size. I also own a P95 and M1911 which have slide lock levers but located in the approximate same location. I don’t really feel there is much difference in the three locks so I am not sure I understand what problem or inconvenience you are attempting to correct.

The Ruger .22LR pistols are extremely popular firearms and, with so many forum members owning one or more versions, if you ask a more specific question you will more than likely get a good answer. This is not intended as a criticism; I have never seen (nor looked for) an after market bolt stop and don’t believe I have seen any threads concerning this topic so I am wondering if you meant something different?
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The slide lock is a LOCK NOT a RELEASE. You may want to start using the SlingShot Method. There are a few new guns on the market now that not longer have an exposed slide locks, the only way to release the slide is to pull back and release. And with a lot of mfg going Aluminum slide locks, they wear if you use them as a release. Then in some cases due to hard magazine springs you must use pull the slide back and release for it to chamber a round, other wise it will hang.
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BronxBoy, Volquartsen makes an extended bolt release. See: https://www.volquartsen.com/pictures...d-bolt-release I don't know if these will fit on a 22/45 but I have one on my MK III and really like it.

blue68f100, FYI, Rugers don't have aluminum bolt locks ... not an issue. The 22/45, MK II, MK III, and MK III 22/45 are designed so the bolt lock is also a bolt release. The sling-shot method works fine but requires two hands. For those of us using MK series pistols for training to simulate combat centerfire pistol drills, we demand a "one hand" operated bolt release for rapid reloads.
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BronxBoy, Volquartsen makes an extended bolt release. See: https://www.volquartsen.com/pictures...d-bolt-release I don't know if these will fit on a 22/45 but I have one on my MK III and really like it.
Thanks Iowegan! I didn’t know this existed. As I see it in the manual, the thumb piece is integral to the bolt stop on the 22/45 models and the two are separate on the MKII and MKIII. Unless I am misreading the exploded diagram, this won’t work. But, if there is one for the standard models there may be one for the 22/45 versions.

I am fine with I have but dash2000 now has good reason to search the internet.
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Thanks Iowegan, I have spent a lot of time on the Volquartsen site, and I did see that piece but I didn't think it fit the 22/45. You are correct in that I wish to have a "one handed" bolt release. I'm surprised there aren't more people who find the factory one a little hard to get their thumb on.
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Dash said, "I'm surprised there aren't more people who find the factory one a little hard to get their thumb on."

Dash, I have some difficulty. I have very small hands, creaky joints, and I lack strength. Pushing that release up and down is not easy. I have learned to rotate my pistol to the left so that I am pushing it side to side rather than up and down. This works better for me.
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dash2000, The VQ extended Bolt Release in the above link won't fit a 22/45. I just finished checking out my neighbors 22/45 MK III and the Bolt Lock design is totally different than my conventional MK III.

If I had a 22/45, I would be very tempted to order a new Bolt Lock, drill and tap the "knob", then install an Allen head screw. This would extend the bolt lock out where you could get a good grip on the screw head with your thumb.
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I have a bit of a hard time with my bolt lock also. My pistol is new, and the action was a bit gritty. So I field stripped it and gave it a good cleaning. It got the grit out but it's still really stiff. I hope it loosens up with wear. I've only got about 300 rounds through it.
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I don't believe there is an aftermarket piece for the bolt stop thumbpiece on the 22/45. The 22/45 has a button that seems to be integral to the bolt stop. The MKIII/MKII has a lever (thumbpiece). The 22/45 is not designed to take the MKIII thumbpiece.

the 22/45 bolt will not slingshot unless you remove the detent on the thumbpiece. The MKIII/MKII will slingshot release the bolt. The slingshot method can be used with the 22/45 w/out mod by pulling back on the bolt and simultaneously depressing the bolt stop thumbpiece. I do this for some unknown reason. A while back it seemed to be an article of faith that you should always use the slingshot method for the first round or you would round the bolt stop. I haven't seen that lately. If it were true, why would Ruger design the 22/45 as they did?
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...why would Ruger design the 22/45 as they did?
The 22/45 was designed to emulate the 1911 operations and it does a good job in every way except recoil IMHO. But dash2000 and crankyoldlady (love that moniker) have a good point in that it can be hard to operate. I did some research and I did not find any aftermarket bolt stops for the 22/45 models and both versions (22/45 and MKIII 22/45) look the same in the manuals. That doesn’t mean one doesn’t exist; I just couldn’t find it!

I was trained in handgun operation on a Colt M1911A1 and I have a RIA 1911 presently. Both of these weapons have larger thumb pieces on the slide release yet I have been taught to use sweeping motions with my right thumb to operate the release and the safety lever. These same motions work on my MKIII 22/45 and P95 albeit the P95 safety is located on the slide so the motion is a tad different.

I just worked the actions on all three and, to my surprise, the MKIII 22/45 actually does take the most force to operate so I can see your point well. As Iowegan suggested, you may have to modify what you have but do follow his suggestion of purchasing a new bolt stop prior to the mod just in case.
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I think I may take the plunge and try your suggestion Iowegan. I may be able to get something machined that looks decent. I'll post pictures when i'm done.
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I wasn't clear about bolt stops. There were a number of comments on various forums indicating that using the bolt stop lever to release the bolt would damage the bolt stop and the slingshot method was preferred. My comment intended to be if this were true why did Ruger make the 22/45 as they did, which doesn't allow the slingshot method. You can modify the bolt stop thumbpiece on the 22/45 to allow the slingshot method, and maybe make it easier to operate, by removing the detent http://www.guntalk-online.com/2245de...ping.htm#ssmod Someone has taken this mod and added a small spring to push it down. I believe that mod is on RFC.

I've used the slingshot method almost exclusively on my semi-autos since I do not do tactical/combat drills. I think pulling the bolt back on the 22/45 while depressing the thumbpiece makes it easier to work the thumbpiece.

I tried the VQ extended bolt release on my MKIII Hunter. I thought it extended too far for the standard grips and had an uncomfortable edge. I think it would be better if VQ had put a roll on the edge. Although I think it would do better on pistols with target grips, I never put it on my MKII GC to test my thoughts.
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The 22/45 was designed to emulate the 1911 operations and it does a good job in every way except recoil IMHO.

I was trained in handgun operation on a Colt M1911A1 and I have a RIA 1911 presently. Both of these weapons have larger thumb pieces on the slide release yet I have been taught to use sweeping motions with my right thumb to operate the release and the safety lever. These same motions work on my MKIII 22/45 and P95 albeit the P95 safety is located on the slide so the motion is a tad different.
I think the design was more to emulate the grip angle and to a lesser extent the feel of a 1911. I think they came closer with the (MKII) 22/45 than the MKIII 22/45. The barrel/receiver and grip frame design prevent really having the pistol emulate the operations. They did a better job on feel with the (MKII) 22/45 than the MKIII 22/45. I have both and they are enjoyable, accurate shooters. They could have made the bolt stop release better.

You did better on training on the 1911 than I. About the only training I had was 50 minutes of catching August rays at Ft. Bragg followed by "now go qualify." They did offer extensive and repetitive training on how to clean one. My usual assigned firearm in 25 years in the Army Reserves was the 1911. I did absorb enough to be able to troubleshoot problems, but the Army wasn't all that interested in tactical training at the time.
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