Ruger SR9C revisited!This is a discussion on Ruger SR9C revisited! within the Ruger Pistols forums, part of the Pistol & Revolver Forum category; Millions and million of fine firearms do use a dovetailed front sight. Many of the 1911 series firearms have been doing that for more than ...  |
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October 25th, 2012, 06:48 PM
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Millions and million of fine firearms do use a dovetailed front sight. Many of the 1911 series firearms have been doing that for more than 100 years.
| This does not mean the design is superior to any other.
orienting a (non-adjustable, per Ruger) sight with a perpendicular sliding dovetail is NOT fixing the sight to the bore centerline. simple as that. Note that this is a "sliding" dovetail. Prone to misalignment by design. I don't know how I can be more clear on this point. Sure the sight is fixed tightly in the dovetail, but, the oportunity for misalignment is increased since the "sliding" dovetail is perpendicular to the bore axis, instead of directly inline over the bore centerline.
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October 25th, 2012, 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by MidLife This does not mean the design is superior to any other.
orienting a (non-adjustable, per Ruger) sight with a perpendicular sliding dovetail is NOT fixing the sight to the bore centerline. simple as that. Note that this is a "sliding" dovetail. Prone to misalignment by design. I don't know how I can be more clear on this point. Sure the sight is fixed tightly in the dovetail, but, the oportunity for misalignment is increased since the "sliding" dovetail is perpendicular to the bore axis, instead of directly inline over the bore centerline. | And examples of the design of which you speak would be?
Fixing the sight to the bore centerline is merely an adjustment, not a design issue.
Perhaps you don't like to have the ability to make adjustments. I do. I think most firearm owners do too. In reading reviews of firearms, the vast majority of reviewers give "extra points" to adjustable front and rear sights.
I suppose the front sight could be machined into the slide so it could never move (like the non-existant machined sights on my LCP.) But then it would be hard to use aftermarket sights.
Again, I've carried my SR9c for more than 2 years without any misalignment, in a tight fitting holster with lots of opportunity for misalignment to happen.
As near as I can tell, your SR8c was not aligned well at the factory, you adjusted it and it has been fine ever since. How is that a problem?
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October 25th, 2012, 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by MidLife This does not mean the design is superior to any other.
orienting a (non-adjustable, per Ruger) sight with a perpendicular sliding dovetail is NOT fixing the sight to the bore centerline. simple as that. Note that this is a "sliding" dovetail. Prone to misalignment by design. I don't know how I can be more clear on this point. Sure the sight is fixed tightly in the dovetail, but, the oportunity for misalignment is increased since the "sliding" dovetail is perpendicular to the bore axis, instead of directly inline over the bore centerline. | Ruger specifically says that the front sight is adjustable.
Please look at the picture on page 9 of the manual. It says that both the front and rear sights are adjustable for windage.
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October 26th, 2012, 03:16 AM
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If Ruger sent a gun that the front sight base was off center my gunsmith would catch that before I ever saw the gun. He would send the gun back on Ruger's dime. He charges $40 for a FFL or $75 to order a gun direct from the manufacturer. It's worth every penny! He inspects things I would never think about. He tells me what machine work if any the gun needs, if any before I say "order it" to get the best out of the gun.
People think a LGS is their best friend. A good, honest gunsmith is your best friend.
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October 26th, 2012, 04:58 AM
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In the video you posted, the presenter states that he's been to shooting matches where people's front sights have "fallen off" during the match!  Mine has been fine since I adjusted it. And yours seems to be fine as well. Sights can and do, fall out of alignment, however. Quote: |
Fixing the sight to the bore centerline is merely an adjustment, not a design issue.
| And I was offering a method to adjust the sight that you did not agree with.
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October 26th, 2012, 05:22 AM
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Originally Posted by MidLife In the video you posted, the presenter states that he's been to shooting matches where people's front sights have "fallen off" during the match!  Mine has been fine since I adjusted it. And yours seems to be fine as well. Sights can and do, fall out of alignment, however.
And I was offering a method to adjust the sight that you did not agree with. | Not sure which method you are offering, the using a "non perpendicular "sight mount design or using a wrench to adjust the sight as you showed in your removed video? If you check the posts I didn't say I disagreed with your adjustment method (although I wouldn't use it or recommend it.)
As you were editting this post which I'd already seen your first version, I was checking out the sights on the Ruger revolver you mentioned but then removed. I believe you said it was a GP100. The first one I saw on the Ruger website had a perpendicular dovetailed sight just like the SR9c.
If you go back to where thread this started, I took issue to where you said the front sights on the SR9 are a poor design. That is just an opinion on your part. My opinion is that it is an industry standard that works well and has been used successfully on millions of firearms.
BTW, In the video I posted, he mentioned using locktite to hold dovetail sights, that too is common gunsmithing practice, especially with aftermarket dovetail sights.
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November 11th, 2012, 06:27 PM
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That is just an opinion on your part. My opinion is that it is an industry standard that works well and has been used successfully on millions of firearms.
| And your opinion is more valid than mine.
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November 11th, 2012, 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by MidLife And your opinion is more valid than mine.
Later, dude.  | And millions of manufactured firearms showing that method works.....
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