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Old July 13th, 2012, 09:47 AM   #16
 
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Inserting Magazine in New LCP

Oh, one more quick question...

While cleaning the LCP and mags, I noticed that the magazine won't insert into the frame of the gun without pressing the mag release button. Is that typical? It's supposed to be that way?



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Old July 13th, 2012, 10:30 AM   #17
 
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My first reaction to the question about too much range time was, when you have shot so much that you can no longer unholster your pistol or raise your arm to aim and fire.

Actually, my practice depends on how I feel and how I'm shooting. Since I don't like to practice bad habits and tend to shoot worse when really tired or just feeling bad, if I am all over the target and lost sight alignment and trigger control after 8-10 rnds. I pack it up and go home to return to the range another day. This was the discipline I learned from my instructor, MSgt. Billy Taggert USMC, Ret. I had the habit of piling up brass even though I was shooting poorly on a certain day, wasting ammo and embedding bad habits that were cropping up. I dang sure didn't need any more than I already had/have.

In any case, that's what I do. If I start shooting bad on a particular day even after just unpacking my gear, I will pack back up and go home. Damn, that's hard to do particularly if I hadn't been to the range in a couple of weeks, but it has saved me money and frustration.

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Oh, one more quick question...

While cleaning the LCP and mags, I noticed that the magazine won't insert into the frame of the gun without pressing the mag release button. Is that typical? It's supposed to be that way?
Okay, took the new LCP out to the range this past weekend. The magazines, when loaded with rounds, insert just fine into the magazine well of the gun. However, unloaded, the magazines still hang up about half way into the magazine well until the mag release button is pressed. Oh, and yes, all 5 magazines are original Ruger equipment! I can live with this since they insert without problems while loaded.

But onto the range trip and ammo... this little gun is a "handfull". By that, I mean muzzle flip is more pronounced than on other guns I shoot. However, it shot flawlessly for me, while my wife experienced 4 FTE's at the end of the day when we were tired and the guns were dirty.

Round count:

25 PMC RN
25 S&B RN
25 Blazer Brass RN
25 Blazer aluminum RN

After 100 rounds of flawless action for the "break in" period, I switched to FreedomMunitions Blaster rounds...

50 FM RNFP

I shot 2 magazines (12 rounds) with no failures. Then at the end of the day, my wife finished off the remainder of the 50 round box with 4 FTE. She's a new shooter, she was tired, and the gun was getting dirty. You can draw your own conclusions. Personally, I believe the 4 FTE was more user error than ammo related. Here's why...

My wife spent the bulk of her day shooting 200 rounds of the same FreedomMunitions Blaster rounds through her Bersa T380 without any failures at all.

So bottom-line, the LCP has worked well so far. Just 150 rounds to date, and based on this experience, 100-150 rounds in one day is plenty. I was tired of shooting this handgun after 112 rounds, and didn't want to shoot it any longer. The FM ammo worked great for me, and I ordered 2 more cases.

Still hoping to prove this gun to be a sturdy and reliable little shooter. Only time and more rounds down range will do the trick.
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Quick Update

Took this little LCP out to the range again, loaded all five mags, but I was done after the first two. For me, this is not a fun gun to shoot... brutal on the hands. Total rounds this trip... 50. Total rounds so far... 200. At this rate, it will take awhile to prove the gun's reliability and durability. But so far, it's doing its job... and fairly accurate too at 21 feet. Just heavy on the recoil and muzzle flip. Much more than I was expecting.
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... For me, this is not a fun gun to shoot... brutal on the hands ...
I recall feeling that way about the LCP for quite a while and I'm relieved that someone else had the same initial impression. I'm always surprised to hear people recommend the LCP to new or recoil-sensitive shooters ... to me, it's a difficult gun to learn to shoot well.

I'm currently shooting an LCP and a 2 1/4" SP101 with full-house magnum loads. The SP101 is much more comfortable.

Two practical suggestions and a mind-set observation for the LCP:

Practical
I found that the sandpaper Talon Grip (post 7) helped immeasurably ... that along with an outrageous, crushing grip on the gun that focuses pressure on the bottom of the grip, front and back. I don't use a mag extension, so this grip comes at the front edge of the mag and the heel of the gun. At the top of the gun, similar pressure side-to-side @/with the web of the thumb @ the top of the backstrap.

Mind-set
Stealing a line from Kris Kristofferson to Treat Williams in Border Patrol* (1984) ... "If you can't get out of it, get into it". I didn't become comfortable with the gun until I became angry with it (I know, childish and simple-minded). For some reason, I was determined to shoot the gun well and began to "embrace" the snap (Is that all you've got?). That, and the observation that the discomfort comes AFTER the shot and will not affect aim helped me to work with it long enough to actually enjoy it.

Truth be told, I've learned more about myself as a shooter and handling difficult guns from my LCP experience than anything else. The LCP is my everyday carry and I'm 3 inches confident at 20 feet.

*edit: sorry, it was "Flashpoint"

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Took this little LCP out to the range again, loaded all five mags, but I was done after the first two. For me, this is not a fun gun to shoot... brutal on the hands. Total rounds this trip... 50. Total rounds so far... 200. At this rate, it will take awhile to prove the gun's reliability and durability. But so far, it's doing its job... and fairly accurate too at 21 feet. Just heavy on the recoil and muzzle flip. Much more than I was expecting.
I have a suggestion to solve your problem.
I changed our LCP's recoil springs to a #11 Wolff spring set & the felt recoil/muzzle flip is much reduced. They make them in #12 & #13 also.
They also sell a set with all 3 for around $20. Also i just recently installed a Hogue Grip designed just for the LCP($10) & it does wonders also. I have been using the Freedom Munitions .380 100gr. reloads in the LCP & Taurus 738 TCP with no issue.
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A .380 round is roughly equal to a .38 Special in energy and speed, just a lighter bullet. The LCP looks a bit painful for shooting a 90 grain .38. FWIW, the Micro Desert Eagle is said to really hurt, because of a hump in the backstrap.

It's not the only mousegun with a take-down pin, but somehow, prying a pin out of a hole does not seem like modern engineering? It's no wonder they fail. I'd rather undo a screw.

Add in the plastic chassis, and I just couldn't put it in my top ten for CCW.
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There are many people with 1,000's of .380's through their LCP.

They kind of have a cult following, isn't there a forum called the "Elsie Pea" club or something?

I'm an all steel wheelgun kind of guy, although my wife fell in love with the nickel slide engraved LCP so I may have to get it for her
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Pell, thanks for the suggestions! Yes, I'm familiar with the Talon grips, but this is supposed to be my wife's pistol... So she needs to decide what's best for her. I'm just there for support and a LITTLE guidance. Someone recommended the LCP 380 to her, and she kept talking about it... month after month. So I finally decided to just get it and let her decide for herself.

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I have a suggestion to solve your problem.
I changed our LCP's recoil springs to a #11 Wolff spring set & the felt recoil/muzzle flip is much reduced. They make them in #12 & #13 also.
They also sell a set with all 3 for around $20. Also i just recently installed a Hogue Grip designed just for the LCP($10) & it does wonders also. I have been using the Freedom Munitions .380 100gr. reloads in the LCP & Taurus 738 TCP with no issue.
What is the weight of the normal spring set on the LCP?

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It's not the only mousegun with a take-down pin, but somehow, prying a pin out of a hole does not seem like modern engineering? It's no wonder they fail. I'd rather undo a screw.
Not my favorite take down system either!
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Overusing a Ruger? That's nuts. I can see where you might have issues by not maintaining the gun, properly, with a lot of shooting, but, even then, I'm suspicious of this guy's claims. Sounds fishy.
Having owned four of them, I am not the least bit suspicious. these guns have a certain life to them and it is not long. I have maintained them well, and change recoil springs, guide rod, and take down pin every 250 rounds. I have had frame cracks, split rail, broken take down pins. I like to shoot pocket guns, and this is what I call a "throw away gun". They go down fairly quick. Good news is Ruger will replace them.
A gun should be meant to shoot. A gun that you put your life into, should be shot in training religiously, often. Lack of training will get you killed, Period!
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The LCP is a nice pocket/purse gun, but it can wear you out shooting it for long periods. When I owned one, I shot at least 50 rounds per week just to keep sharp with it. But it really hurt my hand with its small size and big kick.

As with any self defense gun, you need to practice with it regularly.

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I have a suggestion to solve your problem.
I changed our LCP's recoil springs to a #11 Wolff spring set & the felt recoil/muzzle flip is much reduced. They make them in #12 & #13 also.
They also sell a set with all 3 for around $20. Also i just recently installed a Hogue Grip designed just for the LCP($10) & it does wonders also. I have been using the Freedom Munitions .380 100gr. reloads in the LCP & Taurus 738 TCP with no issue.
Just bought an LCP (from my neighbor) last month for my wife and I've been thinking about the springs too, plus the Hogue grip. My wife does not have strong fingers and after a while has trouble shooting it.

The only thing that stops me shooting it is how much it dings up my knuckle.
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Took this little LCP out to the range again, loaded all five mags, but I was done after the first two. For me, this is not a fun gun to shoot... brutal on the hands. Total rounds this trip... 50. Total rounds so far... 200. At this rate, it will take awhile to prove the gun's reliability and durability. But so far, it's doing its job... and fairly accurate too at 21 feet. Just heavy on the recoil and muzzle flip. Much more than I was expecting.
I fired the LCP II today and that was my experience too. I had never used a subcompact before and had been wanting to buy one for a CCW. Very uncomfortable to shoot. I went through a 50 round box of ammo and that was all the more I cared to shoot.

I was also shooting an M&P Bodyguard and that was MUCH worse actually.

Just seems to be the nature of these pocket .38's I guess. Really small, really light guns, without much grip, not really sure there is much that can be done to overcome that whole physics thing lol.

Maybe a different spring or find a way to make them a little heavier perhaps but even then hard to envision there being a lot of options that would do much.
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Actually, my practice depends on how I feel and how I'm shooting. Since I don't like to practice bad habits and tend to shoot worse when really tired or just feeling bad, if I am all over the target and lost sight alignment and trigger control after 8-10 rnds.
Good information there.

Volume of shots do not a sniper make. If you're not shooting well, you are likely learning bad habits. When I hit the range, I always bring a .22LR along. It lets me know if I have a problem, or I need to look into the load or gun performance to find the problem. If I'm not hitting anything with my MKI Target pistol, I go home.

The LCP is a decent shooter, if the shooter is a decent shot. But more than a few people find the little beast tough to handle for too many rounds. For some that might be a couple magazines, to others 50 rounds, or more.
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