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Old November 15th, 2011, 12:20 AM   #1
 
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SR9c Magazine Disconnect

Hello Everyone -

I have a question regarding the SR9c magazine disconnect. I was thinking about removing it and have found using the search function how to do it (it seems very easy, I basically remove it and replace it every time I clean my gun).

My question though...is does removing the disconnect affect anything negatively? Does Ruger frown upon it or do they just not really care? I don't want to do it if it's controversial or if it can possibly affect reliability or function.



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Old November 15th, 2011, 12:47 AM   #2
 
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Does not effect function or reliability, there is no negitive imact in removing it . The nice thing about removing it is you can dry fire it with out the magazine in. Some people like it out some like it in. I removed mine and that is the way it will stay for me. It is a personal choice.Ruger wants them left in. If you send it back for repair without one it will come back with one put back into it.
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Old November 15th, 2011, 04:01 AM   #3
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It is a personal choice, but it is a safety device you are removing and I've always thought safety and gun were too words that worked well together.

Ruger will not like the modification, and if you send it back without one they will replace it.

In the half century I've been shooting I've never once felt the need to shoot an autofeeder without a mag in it, and have had no problem dry firing any handgun with a disconnector. I just put a mag in. IMO it's much ado about nothing.

I tend not to modify guns which I use for concealed carry, so I never have to explain to a jury why I felt the need to remove safety devices, but maybe I'm just overly cautious, another word that goes well with gun.

Your gun though, chop away if you want.
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I initially removed it from my SR9 after hearing internet chatter that it may help smooth the trigger. Found out it didn't make any difference in trigger feel after several thousand rounds, so I put it back in. For me it didn't matter if it was in or out as far as the operation of the gun was concerned. It just would or wouldn't allow me to shoot with one in the chamber and no mag.
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It is a personal choice, but it is a safety device you are removing and I've always thought safety and gun were too words that worked well together.

Ruger will not like the modification, and if you send it back without one they will replace it.

I tend not to modify guns which I use for concealed carry, so I never have to explain to a jury why I felt the need to remove safety devices, but maybe I'm just overly cautious, another word that goes well with gun.
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Probably best not to give the anti gunners anything to chew on if you use it in self defense.

Removing it has helped others resolve certain issues. If it is only a range gun and you have any of those issues you can remove it with no problem. Although if I had one of those issues, and it was only a range gun, I would just as well have Ruger replace the part or order aftermarket parts. I would not carry any internally modified handgun in New York.
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I am a follower of the Masood Ayoob school of gun modifications. I will not remove any safety feature on a firearm that may be used in self defense. It could lead to the situation in a law suit, ladies and gentleman of the jury mr x was so reckless he removed a safety feature from his firearm a safety feature required by law in several states. I have owned browmning hi powers and have had a mag safety installed even if one came without one. If you want to remove a mag safety from a target pistol okay not form a possible self defense pistol. If you want one without one buy a design without one.
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From what I understand, the only reason it was put on to begin with was to allow sales in more States. There are some States that will not allow a gun to be sold if it doesn't have this safety.
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I removed mine because I shot IDPA style matches and after each stage you have to drop the magazine and clear the chamber then pull the trigger or drop the hammer so it is not cocked ...Does anyone know if it has ever been use against anyone in a court case
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I removed mine because I shot IDPA style matches and after each stage you have to drop the magazine and clear the chamber then pull the trigger or drop the hammer so it is not cocked ...Does anyone know if it has ever been use against anyone in a court case
People v. Superior Court (Du) (1992) 5 CA4th 822

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David Butler, a Los Angeles Police Department ballistics expert, testified extensively about the gun, a Smith & Wesson .38-caliber revolver with a two-inch barrel. In summary, he testified that the gun had been altered crudely and that the trigger pull necessary to fire the gun had been drastically reduced. Also, both the locking mechanism of the hammer and the main spring tension screw of the gun had been altered so that the hammer could be released without putting much pressure on the trigger. In addition, the safety mechanism did not function properly.


It may be an old case but it shows it can happen with modified firearms.
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I guess I never thought of it from a legal perspective. For now this is my concealed carry gun and the reason I wanted to remove the disconnect is so if I was in a life or death situation and I dropped the mag somehow due to a frantic situation, I want that bullet in the chamber to be available to me. I guess I would kind of rather save my life in that situation even if it meant I would be judged harshly by a jury of my peers.

I will put some more thought into it, though. Thanks for the replies.

EDIT: In Minnesota, I do not believe a magazine disconnect is legally required.
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EDIT: In Minnesota, I do not believe a magazine disconnect is legally required.
Maybe not but your gun does have one and it may be scrutinized in a court.

Some of my firearms have a magazine disconnect and some do not. In either case, training to reload in stressful situations is more practical than relying on one round.
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remove the magazine safety. Its a ridiculous feature that is on the Ruger so they can sell guns in People's Republic of California. Its economics.

That being said, removal of the magazine safety is the first thing you need to do with the SR9. Your gun will become so much more functional, both from a practice and self-defense standpoint.

The stories about you going to jail because you removed the magazine safety are hyperbolic. You telling me you do a clean shoot and you are going to jail because you removed the magazine safety which is not present on most semi-autos?

I love my SR9, but the magazine safety was gone in 5 minutes and the safety itself was filed down two weeks later because it was cutting my hand whenever I racked the gun. Get it done brother.
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The stories about you going to jail because you removed the magazine safety are hyperbolic. You telling me you do a clean shoot and you are going to jail because you removed the magazine safety which is not present on most semi-autos? .
Whether you believe it or not does not invalidate the point.

It has happened, as you can see in a prior post. It can make the difference in liability to say the least. These anti gun states require them for a reason. Do not think that if you don't comply that it will be overlooked. Why provide them with more "ammunition" against you.

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It has happened, as you can see in a prior post. It can make the difference in liability to say the least.
First, you referenced a case that was about a trigger modification. How does that relate to a magazine safety? The magazine safety prevents the gun from firing without a magazine preventing accidental discharge with one in the pipe. So eveyone with a trigger job is making a life ending mistake? SILLY.

Secondly, if you made the decision to shoot a perp, why would the case be made against you that the gun fired in a manner that you didn't intend? Are you claiming the gun was not suppose to go off and you accidentally shot the perp? You shoot the guy on purpose..what case could be made against you?

Thirdly, this same hype was over hollowpoints because they are designed to "kill". People said it made the gun owner look "blood-thirsty" and could land them in prison. Its ridiculous.

Lastly, you need the firearm to function in a way that best supports the most effective training. How do you train with a magazine safety that prevents you from dry-firing and practicing?
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I just don't see how having a safety to prevent me from firing my weapon without a magazine is beneficial to me or how it makes me "safe". Needing to put a mag in the gun to dry fire could bring about just as many accidental discharges...whether you accidentally had a round in the mag or a round in the chamber...either way the gun will discharge. Without the magazine disconnect the round in the chamber will also go off, so there is really no difference to me. I'm very strict about safety, and I feel the Ruger offers me plenty of safety features to prevent accidental discharge.
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