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Old March 24th, 2011, 06:58 AM   #1
 
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SR9 versus SR9c versus M&P9

Well, still contemplating which of the above pistols will be my next firearm. I have a couple of weeks to decide thanks to California's wait laws (just DROSed my GP100).

I am intending to buy an American-made, polymer gripframe 9mm pistol with an integral picatinny rail. The SR9, SR9c, and M&P9 all meet that criteria.

Had a brief flirtation with the idea of getting the M&P45. These are starting to show up in local gunstores. But 45 ammo is expensive to shoot, and the purpose of this gun is range time and HD. (I am one of those folks who believes that 9mm is fine for HD/SD; I also already own a 45).

Interestingly, the SR9c is all over town, but not the SR9. The SR9 does not seem to be especially popular. The SR9c is very popular.

The M&Ps are everywhere. They are about $60 more than the Rugers and I see no additional features other than the cachet of the S&W name, if any.

All things being equal, I like to buy Ruger. I like the company and I like the guns. I've never owned a S&W before, but S&W is American-made also, and by all accounts is also a good company. But I prefer Ruger.

By the way, is the sight on the SR9c the same as the SR9? Couldn't tell because none of the gunstores have the SR9 on the shelf.

So it is between the M&P9, the SR9, and the SR9c with the latter looking better and better. Comments?



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My 2/100ths a dollar...

Kinda apples to oranges to apples comparison there.
SR9c is a subcompact with a 3.6" barrel whereas the SR9 amd M&P9 are full size duty guns with a 4.25" barrel.

Yes, the sights are the same between the SR9 and SR9c, but obviously the sight radius is shorter on the SR9c.

As I opined in your other thread regarding an SR9c vs. M&P9, I would not be hesitant to have any one of the three in the nightstand or as a carry gun. Depends on what you want. Do you want a smaller 9mm that is easier to carry? Or do you want a full size 9mm?

S&W's M&P is widely adopted amongst US law enforcement agencies. Second only to the ubiquitous Glock. Heck, even the Belgian Police jsut chose the M&P9 over their own homegrown FN pistols.
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I originally bought an SR9c and liked it so much that I recently got an SR9. Either one will do you well, but unless you want a larger gun get the SR9c. Either way you are going to have 10 round mags...
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Go SR9! M&P I like the compacts.
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The M&P costs more because it is a more refined gun. Both the S&W and Ruger have excellent performance and reliability.

Your choices are similar to my own, and I agree that this is a tough call to make (mine also include 9mm vs .40S&W).

Kaliforniastan limits your freedom of having normal capacity mags by screwing its residents with inferior-capacity 10-round mags on fs handguns. If it were me, and if I did not mind the shorter grip length on the SR9c, I would go for that, probably since nearly half the mag on an SR9 or M&P 9 wouuld be useless to me.

I don't know why the SR9c's are more popular than the fs SR9? Both are outstanding. And the M&P's success certainly speaks volumes on how well S&W designed and built that gun. Tough decision to make.
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The M&P costs more because it is a more refined gun. Both the S&W and Ruger have excellent performance and reliability.

Your choices are similar to my own, and I agree that this is a tough call to make (mine also include 9mm vs .40S&W).

Kaliforniastan limits your freedom of having normal capacity mags by screwing its residents with inferior-capacity 10-round mags on fs handguns. If it were me, and if I did not mind the shorter grip length on the SR9c, I would go for that, probably since nearly half the mag on an SR9 or M&P 9 wouuld be useless to me.

I don't know why the SR9c's are more popular than the fs SR9? Both are outstanding. And the M&P's success certainly speaks volumes on how well S&W designed and built that gun. Tough decision to make.
You make some excellent points. I would be interested in why you say that the M&P is more refined than the Ruger. (I have heard others say this about other S&W versus Ruger discussions.)

I notice that the local Turners is about to carry the SR9, so maybe it is going to catch on more.
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The most hottest segment is subcompact and so called subcompact pocket carry guns... Everyone seems to want one.

I chose the SR9 over the M&P mainly because of price. I scored my SR for a hundred less than I could get an M&P9. Street price.

I have not regretted making this choice one bit.
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My 2/100ths a dollar...

Kinda apples to oranges to apples comparison there.
SR9c is a subcompact with a 3.6" barrel whereas the SR9 amd M&P9 are full size duty guns with a 4.25" barrel.

Yes, the sights are the same between the SR9 and SR9c, but obviously the sight radius is shorter on the SR9c.

As I opined in your other thread regarding an SR9c vs. M&P9, I would not be hesitant to have any one of the three in the nightstand or as a carry gun. Depends on what you want. Do you want a smaller 9mm that is easier to carry? Or do you want a full size 9mm?

S&W's M&P is widely adopted amongst US law enforcement agencies. Second only to the ubiquitous Glock. Heck, even the Belgian Police jsut chose the M&P9 over their own homegrown FN pistols.
Just so you guys know the M&P does have the 4.25" barrel but the SR9 actually has a 4.14" barrel. Enough to make a difference? Who knows? But just some more info for you to make your decision .
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I don't know why the SR9c's are more popular than the fs SR9? Both are outstanding. And the M&P's success certainly speaks volumes on how well S&W designed and built that gun. Tough decision to make.
I'm not quite sure either. The only reason I can think of is the fact that there were many complaints about the SR9 trigger when it was first released. There have not anywhere near as many complaints about the SR9c trigger since Ruger learned from the SR9 and got the trigger on the SR9c correct from the get go. My .02
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You make some excellent points. I would be interested in why you say that the M&P is more refined than the Ruger. (I have heard others say this about other S&W versus Ruger discussions.)
Put the two side by side. The fit and especially the finish is better on the M&P. In order to keep costs down, Ruger doesn't polish the entire barrel, especially the breach/barrel hood, nor do they coat it with anything. The action feels a little smoother on the M&P as well, and when you shoot it, everything feels like one fluid motion. With the Glock, you feel everything happening, where with the M&P, it's just smooth. I don't have an SR9, but the P345 felt a little bit rough when shooting it. I'm having a hard time describing it, but I definitely did not feel the fluidness that I feel on the M&P's. I'm not saying that the SR9/9c is a bad gun though.

To be fair, I have heard some people say they like the trigger on the SR9/9c better. I've tried both, and while a little different, neither really stand out to me so I guess it is a personal thing. The hinged trigger on the M&P takes some getting used to, and it does smooth out over time and use. I don't mind it at all, and I did have to get used to it. Either I'm not as picky or it is a personal matter as well. I don't know.

I don't feel cheated having to pay about $80 more for an M&P as I feel that the quality is there to justify the cost difference. Again, that may be a personal matter as well. At the same token, I feel Ruger has a lot to offer for the $400 range with their SR handgun line-up.

I understand your dilemna because of this. Both have good things to offer, and even with careful comparison and weighing pro's and con's, it's hard to choose one over the other. Even though the M&P feels more refined, and is a great choice, the SR9/9c also has a lot to offer.

I now need an aspirin...

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I'm not quite sure either. The only reason I can think of is the fact that there were many complaints about the SR9 trigger when it was first released. There have not anywhere near as many complaints about the SR9c trigger since Ruger learned from the SR9 and got the trigger on the SR9c correct from the get go. My .02
Perhaps. Though the SR9 has built up a good reputation and the problem has been fixed quite a while ago. The SR40 has had no drama at all, and it seems like many don't really know that the gun exists yet.
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My 2/100ths a dollar...

Kinda apples to oranges to apples comparison there.
SR9c is a subcompact with a 3.6" barrel whereas the SR9 amd M&P9 are full size duty guns with a 4.25" barrel.

Yes, the sights are the same between the SR9 and SR9c, but obviously the sight radius is shorter on the SR9c.

As I opined in your other thread regarding an SR9c vs. M&P9, I would not be hesitant to have any one of the three in the nightstand or as a carry gun. Depends on what you want. Do you want a smaller 9mm that is easier to carry? Or do you want a full size 9mm?

S&W's M&P is widely adopted amongst US law enforcement agencies. Second only to the ubiquitous Glock. Heck, even the Belgian Police jsut chose the M&P9 over their own homegrown FN pistols.
Having worked in LE sales, one thing I quickly learned is to never make a purchasing decision based on what LE chooses. Their decisions are based on price, support and the personal preference of one or two influential folks within the department.

S&W LE sales are notorious for undercutting everyone else. Why? Because they know the average Joe will buy whatever their neighbor policeman carries when it comes time to buy their next gun. S&W will buy a department's old guns at close to distributor pricing (new) and sell them to a clearing house at a loss just to get the new business. So if I was an S&W salesman, I'd walk into a department still using 2nd or 3rd gen Glocks, offer them $350/ea for their used guns, $50/ea for their used holsters and sell them my new M&P at $350 a pop with a new holster. Who would turn that down? Even if S&W loses on the deal, they'll make it up on handcuffs, accessories, parts and the resulting retail sales. If Colt's had learned this in the 90's when everyone was looking into the 1911, they would have dominated the market. Even back then, LE pricing on a 1911 was $450/ea.

That said, I'm currently debating M&P vs G19 vs XDm for my next polymer. My current Steyr M9-A1 has had extraction issues and although it's been given a clean bill of health by the Steyr armorer, I just don't trust it. I plan to rent all 3 and shoot back to back with my Steyr using the same ammo for comparison. The one that shoots the best will be my choice (if the Steyr is still king, I'll keep it and put enough rounds through it without failures to bolster my trust). IMO, that's the ONLY way to really choose a handgun that you are buying for protection.
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I like my Rugers, but the Smith & Wesson M&P is hard to beat.

As a ranking member of a law enforcement agency in charge of purchasing I can tell you that most gun companies do undercut and offer sweet deals. Nonetheless the gun still has to perform during T&E and prove itself as worthy of a duty holster. The only thing administrators want more than low cost is minimal liability. While I agree that simple selection by a LEA does not make it a good gun, often times that selection provided rigorous documented testing which does prove (to them anyway) that it is. Having tested the M&P personally I can assure you that it passed with flying colors.

While I think the build quality is slightly better in the M&P, I don't think you can go wrong with any of the options you posted. I am looking at the SR9C myself.
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I just bought the SR9C but have to wait to pick it up. To me trigger on the SR9C felt way better than the M&P.
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I like the SR 9. Full size and is very accurate. I'm considering this pistol myself. I get free rentals at my range and shoot this gun a lot. Very smooth!

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The trigger on my SR9c IS better than the trigger on the M&P.

But the Apex trigger on my M&P Pro is better than any other trigger in the world!

Best solution is to get one of each...
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